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Really enjoy Doug's channel, just watched that yesterday
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Can you Believe this is a Hyundai
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Genesis desperately needs to do that in our area. It can't happen soon enough. Most of the Hyundai dealerships are pretty shady and I didn't even like going there when I was shopping for a Hyundai! There is no way those places can compete in the market and attempt to sell $40K+ luxury cars as-is. Of the two I visited they each only had 1~2 G80's which were crammed into one corner of the showroom. Pretty poor way to push the brand.
I have no idea which dealership in my metro area won the deal to have it's own. I know Hyundai was trying to reduce the number of locations nationwide when the stand alone dealerships start to appear.
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Until the new product is know, has been reviews and marketed, there is probably no demand for it at the Hyundai dealership. Very likelly why they are not trying to showcase those cars at all. If someone goes in shopping for a 25K car, they are not even gonna look at the 80K cars.
Once marketing has done it's job and good reviews starts showing everywhere, the demand will increase.
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I don't know if it is even the price range of the Hyundai's that would drive people away, but the actual dealership experience.
In my area, you have tiers in quality of dealerships that has naturally formed over time. The bottom feeders are GM brands, FCA dealerships, Hyundai and Kia. These places all have the shouty commercials on radio and TV, tons of misleading ads in the newspapers, the salesmen pull all sorts of tricks when your on the property, and when you leave you feel like taking a shower and burning your clothes. The next tier are some Ford dealerships, Honda, Mazda, VW, Subaru, and Toyota. Not only are the facilities better, but there is far less shenanigans from the sales team and the visit experience no matter the reason is far better. The top tier are BMW, Audi, and Lexus (haven't visited any Merc or Acura) The visit experience is similar to the mid-tear if not a little better, and the facilities are a better. Most of these really stand out with their post-sales/service experience you don't get from more mainstream dealers like Honda or Mazda.
All of that said...I do realize this is highly regionalized and there are always exceptions depending on where you live.
In my area, you have tiers in quality of dealerships that has naturally formed over time. The bottom feeders are GM brands, FCA dealerships, Hyundai and Kia. These places all have the shouty commercials on radio and TV, tons of misleading ads in the newspapers, the salesmen pull all sorts of tricks when your on the property, and when you leave you feel like taking a shower and burning your clothes. The next tier are some Ford dealerships, Honda, Mazda, VW, Subaru, and Toyota. Not only are the facilities better, but there is far less shenanigans from the sales team and the visit experience no matter the reason is far better. The top tier are BMW, Audi, and Lexus (haven't visited any Merc or Acura) The visit experience is similar to the mid-tear if not a little better, and the facilities are a better. Most of these really stand out with their post-sales/service experience you don't get from more mainstream dealers like Honda or Mazda.
All of that said...I do realize this is highly regionalized and there are always exceptions depending on where you live.
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Saw a Kona 2 weeks ago and "in the metal" it looks even cooler. I know it looks like the previous Cherokee but in person it's much different, very funky and very cool!
Also it's been announcement that the Veloster N will have DCT a year after its initial release. It's not something I would ever option out but it does get the car to more people and I guess that's the name of the game. I expect this trans to be one of the best in its segment, no doubt about it.
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Also it's been announcement that the Veloster N will have DCT a year after its initial release. It's not something I would ever option out but it does get the car to more people and I guess that's the name of the game. I expect this trans to be one of the best in its segment, no doubt about it.
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As Cadillac and Lincoln decide to pull out of the full size lux car arena the Genesis G90 doubles down, its amazing!
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They’ve bearly sold a little over 2,000 Genesis G90’s this year, what are you talking about? Lol
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Have you seen the new one? It's a new brand, it's going to take time but with NO Cadillac cars soon, NO Continental soon and the 300 going away as well, Genesis will just slide right in there. Btw, these Genesis cars are RWD, full sized, just the way people like em'.
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My wife was in the market for a small SUV last month and after looking and test driving every brand she ended up with the newly redesigned Forester. The Santa Fe was on the list but to be honest it wss one of the worst for fit and finish out of all even including domestic. One of the door panels was bowed and several other panels were not lined up. The materials also felt cheaper. This wasn't on just one vehicle as we looked as several on the lot. It wasn't a bad looking SUV but it was not as well laid out as some of the others for us and it was more money with the same features as the Subaru. The Subaru also has a much better resale and our dealer gives a lifetime warranty on the drivetrain.
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CTS, ATS, 1 more year of the XTS and CT6, and there’s likely to be a new Cadillac full sized car coming in 2020 to replace the XTS & CT6... Remember, they’ve been hyping the Escala, and if they decide to produce that car it’ll smash the competition.
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You can get the G90 in AWD as well. My in-laws have a fully loaded 2017. My mother in-law drove Lincon Town Cars for decades, but after seeing Ford's quality erode and a long term dealership relationship go south, she left for Genesis and loves it. She had the first gen Equus and now the G90. She likes them more each year and will never go back. Before the Genesis she also looked at Caddy and the 300 and REALLY didn't like either one.
I think Caddy is only second to Subaru when it comes to displaying breathtakingly beautiful concept cars like the Escala, Ciel, and Elmiraj (who names these things?!), and then never delivering anything close to those designs.
I wouldn't hold out much hope for the CT6 or a replacement since they are killing production now. The market for large luxury sedans is dying as SUVs/CUV's take over, sad to say. There simply is no money in it in the US for companies to build one. Genisis and Lexus sell very small numbers of their large sedans, and I'd bet Audi, BMW, and Mercedes sell in really small numbers in the US as well relative to the rest of their line.
The ATS/CTS will be replaced and the test mules have been seen on the road and on a track, but nothing as large as a CT6, so there is at least a little hope Caddy will still build proper cars. I just hope they step up in interior quality with the next generation. I've driven an XTS for a few days and spent a lot of time looking at the CTS and the ATS as I was in the hunt for an ATS-V for a while. The marginal fit and finish, a guage cluster that looks like it was pulled straight from my old '93 Grand Am, and other interior bits from the Malibu parts bin didn't help.
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BAM^^^^^
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I think those names are alot better than the 3 letter names that mean nothing...
As far as the XT5 & CT6, they will make them both for 2019 and they’re also releasing a brand new CT6V for 2019 even with this latest news of discontinuing those 2 base models. I think they’re going to do away with those 2 good yet not great cars and replace them with 1 great car where they don’t hold back the way they’ve had for the past 15yrs. I think the Escala has the best shot of making it into production of any concept car they’ve ever shown.
They’re going to kill the ATS [IMO they never should’ve made it in the 1st place] but I don’t see them killing the CTS, especially with the CTSV having a pretty solid reputation.
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So very true. Caddy has a host of great names from it's past. I don't get why they don't use those rather than making up words with no meaning.
I've not seen anything that projects the CT6 or any full size sedan beyond the 2019 model year (production ends June 1st) and the CT6-V may be the "swan song" for that car. It will go out with a V8-powered blaze of glory. The XTS should have been given a Viking burial years ago....
The CTS and ATS are both going away. This news has been out for a couple of years. (Cadillac ATS, CTS and XTS will be discontinued in favor of crossovers and SUVs and other media sources) Both of those cars will be replaced by a car rumored to be called the CT5. That vehicle has been seen testing on the road and is supposedly sized between the two cars it replaces. There is also rumor of a CT4 which will compete with the Audi A2 and Mercedes A-Class, but nothing has been spotted so far.
The ATS was always the size of sedan I liked since the current CTS was just too big. However, there were a few things which kept me away which that amazing suspension and a huge bellowing V8 in the ATS-V couldn't overcome. I had no interest in the 4-cyclinder models.