carpro eraser vs menzerna top inspection

Eraser is great if you're using CarPro products. Other than that, I'm hesitant to use it because CarPro openly admits that it leaves something behind for anti static. This concerns me if doing a wipe down prior to using non CarPro LSP's. I may try top inspection
 
What ever happened to Optimums Prep wipedown product??? Did it ever come out ???
 
FivePoint.0 said:
Eraser is great if you're using CarPro products. Other than that, I'm hesitant to use it because CarPro openly admits that it leaves something behind for anti static. This concerns me if doing a wipe down prior to using non CarPro LSP's. I may try top inspection
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Wow I did not know that. Hopefully my Opti-Coat 2.0 will bond. I did a double eraser wipedown prior to application.
 
I didn't care for the menz at all . way too grabby for me and its expensive for the amount you get . it could have been the towel I used ? sprayed too much or not enough ? idk . eraser , I like that, no issues . I mostly use Kleen Strip - prep all . about $12 for a gallon .
 
WRXINXS said:
Wow I did not know that. Hopefully my Opti-Coat 2.0 will bond. I did a double eraser wipedown prior to application.
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I think Chad did some testing with GTechniq coatings after wiping down with Eraser. He said there didn't seem to be any issues, so I think you should be fine. I really like Eraser for inspecting results.
 
WRXINXS said:
Wow I did not know that. Hopefully my Opti-Coat 2.0 will bond. I did a double eraser wipedown prior to application.
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You should really ready my quote in regards to this.

Went to Opticoat (pro version) a GT-R and Chrysler 300 this weekend. The GT-R was fine, had 2300 miles so it wasn't a huge ordeal. The 300 had some of the softest paints I've dealt with, even more so than the GT-R. After 4 or 5 different combinations, the ONLY thing that was working on correcting the finish (wasn't terrible but not great) was M205 and a black LC foam pad. Finished it down near perfect.

Anyways, after cleaning and prepping with Car Pro eraser I went to apply the opticoat. What I noticed was the coating was flashing ALMOST instantly to the point where it was leaving streaking and not self leveling all that well. I hadn't run into this on the GT-R so I was veryyyy baffled. Not all the panels were like this but about 3 or 4 so I had to polish it off and reapply but this time I immediately wiped softly after applying and that seemed to do the trick. VERY frustrating and made me re-think a couple of things and my process. I knew M205 had some tricky oils in it but I wanted to give Dr. G a call and discuss a few different things with the paint system and the products used.

He explained that with M205 having the agents inside and being pretty much an anomaly to a lot of other polishes, Eraser wasn't fully cleaning the surface of the polishing oils. I had done two wipe downs so this wasn't a great feeling. It was recommended that use OPC to clean the surface OR a stripping wash and try it that way. Dr. G explained that since some of the oils were remaining it was causing the instant flash/streaking and OPC would fix that.

I wanted to share my experience with others because I hadn't run into this before with 2.0 and M205 previously, so knowing the concentrate in the Pro version was much stronger, it made me a little worry some. Again, I had tried a few different combinations that were correcting, but were marring pretty badly. And anything that I tried to follow up with wasn't clearing it up. This is a perfect example of a test panel and thankfully I was able to get it knocked out.
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CM8 6MT said:
Yes both products perform similar functions, that is the ability to remove polishing oils.

What do you mean which one would you use after claying? Clay bar doesnt remove or hide swirls so why would you use any of these? For what purpose?

Anyhow, I would recommend you get either product to inspect your work after polishing. They remove polishing oils to make sure you are actually removing defects, not masking them with polish residue.

I'm currently using Griot's Pre-Wax Clenzer. I get a big 35oz bottle for $9.99 instead of 16oz of Menzerna for $19.99. These products dont add any aditional benefits to the paint other than to inspect your work, so choose wisely.
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:iagree: I use menz Top Inspection all the time I have never noticed it grabbing will using it. It really comes down to what you like.
 
WRXINXS said:
Wow I did not know that. Hopefully my Opti-Coat 2.0 will bond. I did a double eraser wipedown prior to application.
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No problem at all! I've use Earser for both Opti-Guard, and Opti-Coat many times in the past with absolutely no issues!
 
LazyGhost said:
Finally read Mikes book and i thought the ipa wipe was just for the test spot. I still have yet to do any polishing, just getting my ducks in a row. So youd recommend an ipa to cleanse all the way around the vehicle?
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I don't think this has been answered. After polishing you want to use an IPA wipedown or something similar. Compounds/polishes can have a filling effect due to the chemicals that transport the abrasives. Another reason is to make sure all the polish/compound is off the panel. Wax/sealant/permanent coating are designed to adhere to clear coat, not a polish or compound. You will see better performance out of your LSP.

Some people, myself included, will use a IPA wipedown after the compounding and polishing step. I do this to make sure what I am seeing is really the condition of the finish.

I use Eraser and like it. I only have IPA to compare it too. IPA seems to work great on hard clears, softer clears I've had some marring problems even with good MF. Eraser seems to come off easier.
 
FivePoint.0 said:
Cool. Where do you buy it from?
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o'reilleys auto parts store , I had to ask at the counter . I'm not sure if other auto parts stores can get it . I found DuPont brand also but it's like 30-40 a gallon .
 
I avoid using IPA as it can make the paint swell. Eraser is 30-50% IPA. There is a thread on this. I use Clean Strip Prep All or mineral spirits.
 
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Eraser is slightly less than 30% IPA, a small percentage of sodium lauryl ether sulfate, DI water, and a splash of another proprietary ingredient.
 
truckbutt said:
I never post without checking first :xyxthumbs:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/42331-eraser-vs-ipa-video.html
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That's a great practice, I try to do the same as well:xyxthumbs:

Here is a copy of the current MSDS:

Material Safety Data Sheet
Version: 1.02
Product : Page: 1/1
1. IDENTIFICATION OF THE PRODUCT AND COMPANY
1-1. Product Name : eraser
1-2. Information of a manufacturing company
1-2-1. Company Name : CarPro Trading Ltd.
1-2-2. Address : 7, Lfigeneias strovolos, Nicosia 1687
CYPRUS
1-2-3. Phone : +972 546 411911
1-2-4. Fax :
2. COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
2-1. Chemical Mixture : Liquid mixture
2-2. Chemical description Chemical formula Content CAS No. Remark

Isopropyl Alcohol < 30%

Dionized water > 60%

Sodium lauryl ether sulfate 1%-3%

odor additive 1% pro prietary -


3. HAZARD IDENTIFICATION (Also see section 11)


3-1. Most important hazards : NON HAZARDOUS PRODUCT, inflammable stable under normal conditions
3-1-1. Adverse human health effects
3-1-2. : Irritating to eyes and skin.
Physical and chemical hazards
3-1-2-1. Fire or explosion
: No particular fire or explosion hazard.
3-1-2-2. Further hazards : Hazardous reactions on contact with many common Ma terials. (Refer
to the list of incompatible materials Section 10 “Stability-Reactivity”).
3-1-2-3. Chronic hazards
: No known chronic hazards. Not listed by NTP, IARC, or OSHA as a
carcinogen.
4. FIRST AID MEASURES
4-1. FIRST AID
4-1-1. SKIN: Wash off with soap and plenty of water. If irritation persists, seek medical attention.
4-1-2. EYES: Wash eyes with plenty of water for at least 15 minutes, lifting lids occasionally. Consult an
eye specialist if necessary.
4-1-3. INHALATION: Remove to fresh air,keep patient warm and at restif breathing is irregular seek for medical attn..
4-1-4. INGESTION:Immediately evacuate any remaining liquid from th e mouth and seek medical attention.
Do NOT drink water and Do NOT induce vomiting.
THIS DOCUMENT CONFORMS TO E.U. DIRECTIVE 91/155/CEE
Eraser
Material Safety Data Sheet
Issue Date : june. 2011 Version: 1.02
Product Name : Page: 2/2
5. FIRE FIGHTING MEASURES
5-1. Flammable limits(Vapor In Air, Vol%) : This material is noncombustible.
5-2. Fire extinguishing media : Carbon dioxide foam,dry chemical or fine spray w. ater
5-3. Specific hazards : None known
5-3. Specific fire fighting methods : Cool down the containers/equipment exposed to heat with
a water spray.
6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES
6-1. Personal precautions : Wear personal protective equipment.
6-2. Environmental precautions : Contain the spilled material by banding.
6-3. Methods for cleaning up. : Wipe off or wash affected area with water
7. HANDLING AND STORAGE
7-1. Handling (Safe handling advice) : Prior to use, shake well to restore the suspension and
promptly clean up spills.
7-2. Storage (at room temperature) : Store in a cool and dark place and keep container closed.
7-3. Packaging : Store in clean plastic containers
8. EXPOSURE CONTROLS & PERSONAL PROTECTION
8-1. Hand Protection : Gloves to prevent skin exposure as latex or vinyl
8-2. Eye Protection : Safety spectacles with side shields.
8-3. Other Protective Equipment : Wear appropriate clothing to prevent skin exposure.
9. PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
9-1. Physical state : Liquid
9-2. Colour :
9-3. Vapor pressure : N/A
9-4. Solubility in water : complete soluble
9-5. Appearance and Odor : light blue,pleasant odor
9-6. Flash point (closed cup) : > 65 C.
9-8. Specific gravity : 0.88
9-9. pH : N/A
9-10. VOCs : < 1%
light blue
THIS DOCUMENT CONFORMS TO E.U. DIRECTIVE 91/155/CEE
9-7. Boiling point : > 95 C. @ 1.013 mbar
Eraser
Material Safety Data Sheet
Issue Date : june 2011 Version: 1.02
Product Name : Page: 3/3
10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY INFORMATION
10-1. Stability : Stable under recommended storage, handling and usage conditions.
10-2. Conditions to avoid : No dangerous reactions known under normal conditions of use.
10-3. Materials to Avoid : Strong oxidizing agents, metals, bases, amines.
10-4. Hazardous decomposition products : Combustion can produce carbon monoxide (CO).
10-5. Hazardous polymerization : Will not occur
11. TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION
May be irritating for skin and eyes after prolonged contact.repeated or long exposure may cause
12. ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
The product is not classi fied as dangerous for the environment.product should not be allowed to enter
13. DISPOSAL CONSIDERATIONS
Dispose in accordance with all applicable regulation.
14. TRANSPORT INFORMATION
14-1. E.U Regulation : Non hazardous for transport.
14-2. Hazard class/Packing group : No information available
14-3. Technical Name : No information available
14-4. Labels Required : No information available
14-5. UN Number : No information available
14-6. DOT Packaging Requirements : No information available
15. REGULATORY INFORMATION
15-1. OSHA : Not regulated
15-2. Risk p hras:e s:
15-3. Safety ph ra:ses:
15-4. SARA(Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act): No information available
15-5. EU : No information available
16. OTHER INFORMATION
The information provided in this Safety Data Sheet is correct to the best our knowledge, information
and belief at the date of its publication. The information given is designed only as guidance for safe
handling, use, processing, storage, transportation, disposal and release and is not to be considered
a warranty or quality specification.
The information relates only to the specific material designated and may not be valid for such
material used in combination with any other materials or in any process, unless specified in the text.
removal of nature fat from the skin resulting in dryness and possible dermatitis
drains or water courses.
R22: harmfull of swallowed, R36/38 : eye&skin irritate :avoide prolong exposure
S36/37 - wear suitable protective clothing and gloves
THIS DOCUMENT CONFORMS TO E.U. DIRECTIVE 91/155/CEE
 
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I use menz TI and like it. I've also used eraser and it worked just as well for slightly less cost. I ended up sticking with TI because I use Menz compounds and polishes.
 
After using Eraser I trashed any and all of my IPA's. I never liked the feeling I got using IPA, it felt very grabby against ANY microfiber I used. Eraser lets the MF glide across the paint and I have yet to have any type of streaking or residue left over. I cannot speak for TI though.
 
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