CarPro Essence with non-CarPro coating

FWIW, I put Opti 2.0 over Essence two weeks ago on a trucks tail gate. Went on easy, and so far so good. Time will tell.
 
I have been testing Essence with IGL Quartz for a month so far, still as glossy and slick as the day i put it on. We have had a lot of rain lately and water just beads right off.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
I am currently testing Essence with non-carpro coatings as well.

I have the new 22ple High Performance Coating on my hood which was coated with Essence prior to applying the coating. So far, so good. Will monitor throughout the midwest winter.


I have been experimenting with various coatings on my personal cars without any IPA/Eraser wipe down over the course of the last year or so, and I will be perfectly honest in that all of the coatings performed excellent. There was no distinguishable difference between the panels that were wiped down with IPA/Eraser and the panels that were not after several months.

I assume it has to do with the fact that when polishing, I am only using a tiny amount of M205 or reflect on my pad and am working it until the product is nearly invisible. It's been an interesting experiment, I wish I had some oily products like Menzerna SF4500 to try. My hunch would be that a product like that would be much more likely to interfere with the coating.

... but back to the topic at hand. I had asked Avi about the compatibility of Essence with other coatings, and his response was similar to Corey's in that they did no know because they had not tested it, but he assumed it would likely be OK because of the fact that when you're using Essence with a machine (not by hand), the friction and heat generated during the polishing process causes the solvents to evaporate or disappear or whatever, meaning there is very little residue left on the surface afterwards. The majority of that is then wiped away with your towel.
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I can send you some SF4500 if you want to test it out
 
haris300 said:
Just wanted to add that my experience with applying BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat over Essence wasn't too great either. I love Crystal Coat on its own, but when I experimented with it over Essence, it was very sticky/grabby and I had a difficult time removing it. It wasn't impossible by any means but definitely required more effort. CQuartz, as I expected, went over Essence with no problem whatsoever.
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How long did you wait for the Essence to cure before applying BFCC?
 
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We have not tested any Optimum Coating on Essence but would guess that the fillers/sealers they advertise would not create the best bond. In general it's best to use products from the same manufacturer to insure compatibility.

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Well lets see here.. and maybe apply some logic.

Essence has fillers- This we know
Essence fillers are durable up to a year - Time will tell
Opti-coat is Permanent or at least more than a year durable - This we know

Optimum claims the fillers will not allow Opti-coat to bond up to it's full potential - As stated by optimum

Cquartz Claims Essence will not inhibit the bonding of Cquartz. Makes sens if you assume they were made specifically to work together. - As stated by Cquartz

So whats the issue here? If you're a OC fan, Use hyper compound and hyper polish. If you're a Cquartz fan use Essence and Cquartz.Im the MAN
 
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How long did you wait for the Essence to cure before applying BFCC?
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I'd say the car sat for about an hour to an hour and a half after polishing with essence and before coating. Temps were in the high 50's low 60's. I coated most of the car with CQuartz UK but did the spoiler with BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat. Also experimented with the Pinnacle Black Label paint coating which went on the rear center panel with no problem.
 
haris300 said:
I'd say the car sat for about an hour to an hour and a half after polishing with essence and before coating. Temps were in the high 50's low 60's. I coated most of the car with CQuartz UK but did the spoiler with BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat. Also experimented with the Pinnacle Black Label paint coating which went on the rear center panel with no problem.
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I also tried Crystal Coat on the rear deck lid of my GTO after polishing with Essence. I found the same kind of issues. It became really grabby. After reworking in smaller areas I was able to get it to work with no high spots but it was definitely trickier then normal.
 
I wonder if the one year durability of the fillers in Essence applies to when the product is used as a stand-alone, when topped with CQuartz or both

I believe the durability of the fillers is likely when it is used solo
 
AGOatemywallet said:
I wonder if the one year durability of the fillers in Essence applies to when the product is used as a stand-alone, when topped with CQuartz or both

I believe the durability of the fillers is likely when it is used solo
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Correct, that is how it was explained to me.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Wouldn't it be funny if most of this prep dogma came out of the marketing departments rather than the chemistry lab. I would love to hear our friend PiPUK's comments on this but he doesn't seem to post here anymore.
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There is definite merit in being as fastidious as possible. It might not be necessary but it decreases the chances of problems.

There are certainly a lot of nonsense claims which come from marketing people. What I read online typically leads me to believe that many detailing brands (not all) have very little connection with the chemistry. To be quite honest, many things that I read will leave me wondering whether the marketing person has accidentally put in the information belonging to another product.

As for essence, I will be interested to hear more. I have picked up bits and bobs and it will be interesting to see the safety sheets to see whether there is anything actually interesting in there. As far as I can tell, the marketing leads me to believe that it gives excellent correction and leaves a coating (which isn't very hydrophobic). My immediate thought is what exactly is this coating? If it isn't very hydrophobic, how do we know it remains present? If it is present, we need to know more about it because we have no idea what effect it will have on other products. Mostly I would like to know what good the coating is doing? What is the benefit above a good correction and a 'traditional' coating?
 
jrs1418 said:
Well lets see here.. and maybe apply some logic.

Essence has fillers- This we know
Essence fillers are durable up to a year - Time will tell
Opti-coat is Permanent or at least more than a year durable - This we know

Optimum claims the fillers will not allow Opti-coat to bond up to it's full potential - As stated by optimum

Cquartz Claims Essence will not inhibit the bonding of Cquartz. Makes sens if you assume they were made specifically to work together. - As stated by Cquartz

So whats the issue here? If you're a OC fan, Use hyper compound and hyper polish. If you're a Cquartz fan use Essence and Cquartz.Im the MAN
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Hyper is awesome. i use it often. but, there seems, as reported by several users and professionals, to be an extra brilliance gained by using Essence, supposedly due to the fillers perfecting the appearance past what other pure polishes can do...and on top of that, it has a cutting flexibility AND has an LSP feature, so, it's like a buff AIO. i can see the appeal and i'm particularly into OPT stuff.
 
haris300 said:
Just wanted to add that my experience with applying BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat over Essence wasn't too great either. I love Crystal Coat on its own, but when I experimented with it over Essence, it was very sticky/grabby and I had a difficult time removing it. It wasn't impossible by any means but definitely required more effort. CQuartz, as I expected, went over Essence with no problem whatsoever.
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That will illinate the need to try Blackfire on bare paint. Seems how since I'm trading in my car I have been using it to test products I don't think there is any bare paint left lol.
Someone on Autopia said they had no problems with Blackfire over Essence. I think it may be wait time before applying the Blackfire. How long did you let the Essence cure before applying the Blackfire? I'm at the long end of the spectrum at 24 hours.
 
Has anyone tried using Gyeon Mohs over Essence? I was planning on trying this on my personal car this weekend. Just thought I would ask incase any folks have noticed they do not play well together.
 
Check with Mike he is a Gyeon certified installer.

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I've been using Essence as a primer to a non-Cquartz coating since Essence was released about 6-7 mos ago. And so far, everything is holding up great. I've coated approx 20 cars like this, including my own which I drive every day and monitor.
 
jrs1418 said:
I've been using Essence as a primer to a non-Cquartz coating since Essence was released about 6-7 mos ago. And so far, everything is holding up great. I've coated approx 20 cars like this, including my own which I drive every day and monitor.
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Thanks I have used Essence as a gloss enhancer/ primer on a few cars but always used Cquartz UK as a coating. What non Cquartz coatings have you used?

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Check with Mike he is a Gyeon certified installer.

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Mike Phillips?
 
Mike Lambert of the shine shop in Maryland

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I did 2x layers of Wolfgang Uber Coating over CarPro Essence a little over a week ago on my daily driven 2009 Jeep SRT8. I had zero issues with both products used in conjunction.

I'm going to wash it today for the first time since coating and take pictures for my write up.

Note: incredibly it hasn't rained for over a week here in Montreal (normally rains at least twice a week).
 
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