coatings ?

Great info in application of something Taboo such as OC 2.0.

And yes Chris I agree with you that the stigma is the marketing that its a 'permanent' coating. After reading about it I don't feel it too be permanent at all but a very strong sacrificial barrier, with that said the word permanent still rings in my ear every time I look at my syringe.


When Opti-Coat II and CQuartz became available at Autogeek.net I wrote an article to explain the differences (generically), between car waxes, synthetic paint sealants and paint coatings here,

3-Categories: Waxes, Paint Sealants and Coatings


As a part of this article I had to define the word permanent in the context of new coatings coming onto the market, (in fact I was given 3 bottles of some new stuff to test out just this morning).


Here's what I wrote, note this is just an excerpt, click the link above to read the entire article...

Coatings
Generally defined as any paint protection product that contains man-made or synthetic protection ingredients that are intended to permanently bond to the paint to both provide a barrier-coating of protection as well as create a clear, high gloss finish. The products available in this category are considered permanent coatings because like your car's paint, they cannot be removed unless you purposefully remove them or you purposefully neglect them.



Definition of permanent in the context of sealing paint
This is kind of tricky just because the nature of discussion forums is for some personality types to read super literal into each and every single word, in this case the word permanent.

From TheFreeDictionary.com said:
per·ma·nent (pûrm-nnt)
adj.
1. Lasting or remaining without essential change: "the universal human yearning for something permanent, enduring, without shadow of change" (Willa Cather).

2. Not expected to change in status, condition, or place: a permanent address; permanent secretary to the president.
n.


In the context that we refer to coating as permanent it means that once the coating is properly applied and allowed to cure and set-up, it will not come off under normal circumstances or via normal wear-n-tear such as careful washing. So in this context, a coating is permanent in the same manner your car's paint is permanent.

The paint on your car is not going to come off unless you abrade it, chemically dissolve it or in some other mechanical means, purposefully remove it. In this same way, legitimate paint coatings are not going to come off unless you abrade it, chemically dissolve it or on some other mechanical means, purposefully remove it.

Traditional car waxes and paint sealants will wear off under normal use circumstances or via normal wear-n-tear such as careful washing. So in the context of and in comparison with traditional car waxes and paint sealants, paint coatings are permanent.



Sometimes it's kind of tricky to write a definition for a word that everyone will agree upon. Including the context in which or in where the term is used can help, in our case the car detailing world.


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I recently applied the Optic-Coat II to the 1949 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery in this thread, after pictures start on page 7

And it's now on display which you can see on page 8


Bumblebee - Testing out the NEW DeWALT DWP849X


The above article is also a review of the new improved Optimum Compound II, Polish II and Finish.



This coming Thursday we'll be applying CQuartz to a very rare and beautiful black Porsche and you can follow the action in real-time on my facebook page and then on Friday I'll post some beauty shots...


This Thursday Night...
Sam's 1994 Porsche 964 Turbo 3.6 - Remove swirls by machine then apply Cquartz
1994pcar.jpg

Click here to sign-up for this class or to see more pictures or add comments...



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Sometimes it's kind of tricky to write a definition for a word that everyone will agree upon. Including the context in which or in where the term is used can help, in our case the car detailing world.


:)

Agree with everything you just said. Not only that I've read that thread and its still hard to wrap my head around the new "it-ish" products called the coatings.

Simplier times back than when it was nothing but waxes but I'm exited and happy that as a consumer that I have more choices in the matter and BETTER at times products.

:props:
 
Chris, I have been following the method you taught me and had great success and even coverage. My only question is if the vehicle is being coated thick enough. In my Q&A with David a long time ago he told me the thickness that a certain amount of OC will create. So, logically I am thinking the method we are using (like in the video I linked) it would be thinner than if you wipe on. I would like to believe it is still the same thickness of coating or fairly decent but was curious if David has studied or measured the thickness of the method you introduced last year.


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If you guys take a look at my video link on the previous page it shows what Chris is describing.

Chad has a great video as well but I can't find it.

Corey, thickness with a product like OC can quickly fall into the "more is better" syndrome that we all are guilty of at times. One thin, even layer is what we should shoot for and that is easily accomplished with our method. As long as the surface is coated, you will see all the benefits of the product no matter how "thick" you have applied it. And, if you just have to have the thickest OC possible, just go over the panel again right after it flashes as this is the only time you can layer it without polishing. Although I am giving instructions on how to create a thicker application, it is certainly not necessary. Think about how clear coat is only as thick as a cellophane wrapper and think of how much we can polish something that thin!
 
Corey, thickness with a product like OC can quickly fall into the "more is better" syndrome that we all are guilty of at times. One thin, even layer is what we should shoot for and that is easily accomplished with our method. As long as the surface is coated, you will see all the benefits of the product no matter how "thick" you have applied it. And, if you just have to have the thickest OC possible, just go over the panel again right after it flashes as this is the only time you can layer it without polishing. Although I am giving instructions on how to create a thicker application, it is certainly not necessary. Think about how clear coat is only as thick as a cellophane wrapper and think of how much we can polish something that thin!

Thank you Chris! Excellent response :) I am very good at applying most everything esle very thin and happily so! However with OC I wasn't sure if this was best. You response has me satisfied. I appreciate it. Btw, I often times do just like you mention and just after flashing I end up going over the area quickly once more. Very happy with this application method.
 
Chris, I have been following the method you taught me and had great success and even coverage. My only question is if the vehicle is being coated thick enough. In my Q&A with David a long time ago he told me the thickness that a certain amount of OC will create. So, logically I am thinking the method we are using (like in the video I linked) it would be thinner than if you wipe on. I would like to believe it is still the same thickness of coating or fairly decent but was curious if David has studied or measured the thickness of the method you introduced last year.


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If you guys take a look at my video link on the previous page it shows what Chris is describing.

Chad has a great video as well but I can't find it.


I think it's set as unlisted right now. ;)

Opti-Coat.wmv - YouTube
 
Great info in application of something Taboo such as OC 2.0.

And yes Chris I agree with you that the stigma is the marketing that its a 'permanent' coating. After reading about it I don't feel it too be permanent at all but a very strong sacrificial barrier, with that said the word permanent still rings in my ear every time I look at my syringe.

It's as permanent as your OEM but more-so as it won't oxidize. It won't come off until chipped or abraded. Like Mike said, it's hard to agree on a definition.
 
Just received some Opti-seal. Now if I could just get some opti-coat/guard then I'd be set. Here's for wishing!!!!
 
Corey, thickness with a product like OC can quickly fall into the "more is better" syndrome that we all are guilty of at times. One thin, even layer is what we should shoot for and that is easily accomplished with our method. As long as the surface is coated, you will see all the benefits of the product no matter how "thick" you have applied it. And, if you just have to have the thickest OC possible, just go over the panel again right after it flashes as this is the only time you can layer it without polishing. Although I am giving instructions on how to create a thicker application, it is certainly not necessary. Think about how clear coat is only as thick as a cellophane wrapper and think of how much we can polish something that thin!


Now thats a great tip!:dblthumb2:

I'll be double coating my hood with OC as I'm sure that my factory clear will be really thin after polishing!!

Great that I can polish the OC afterwards! :D
(in case I need to lightly polish OC down the line, can I lay down another coat?)
 
When Opti-Coat II and CQuartz became available at Autogeek.net I wrote an article to explain the differences (generically), between car waxes, synthetic paint sealants and paint coatings here,

3-Categories: Waxes, Paint Sealants and Coatings


As a part of this article I had to define the word permanent in the context of new coatings coming onto the market, (in fact I was given 3 bottles of some new stuff to test out just this morning).


Here's what I wrote, note this is just an excerpt, click the link above to read the entire article...

Coatings
Generally defined as any paint protection product that contains man-made or synthetic protection ingredients that are intended to permanently bond to the paint to both provide a barrier-coating of protection as well as create a clear, high gloss finish. The products available in this category are considered permanent coatings because like your car's paint, they cannot be removed unless you purposefully remove them or you purposefully neglect them.


Definition of permanent in the context of sealing paint
This is kind of tricky just because the nature of discussion forums is for some personality types to read super literal into each and every single word, in this case the word permanent.




In the context that we refer to coating as permanent it means that once the coating is properly applied and allowed to cure and set-up, it will not come off under normal circumstances or via normal wear-n-tear such as careful washing. So in this context, a coating is permanent in the same manner your car's paint is permanent.

The paint on your car is not going to come off unless you abrade it, chemically dissolve it or in some other mechanical means, purposefully remove it. In this same way, legitimate paint coatings are not going to come off unless you abrade it, chemically dissolve it or on some other mechanical means, purposefully remove it.

Traditional car waxes and paint sealants will wear off under normal use circumstances or via normal wear-n-tear such as careful washing. So in the context of and in comparison with traditional car waxes and paint sealants, paint coatings are permanent.

Sometimes it's kind of tricky to write a definition for a word that everyone will agree upon. Including the context in which or in where the term is used can help, in our case the car detailing world.


:)
Thank you for that great explanation for the permanent word Mike.

in that case , and if you refare a coat which can only be removed by mechanic abrasion, i can 100% say that cquartz is a permanent coat!! and wont wear off naturally.

my definition for permanent is something that is impossible to remove , by abrasion as well. but if its something as you describe here, defenetly cquartz can be called a permanent coat.
 
Opti-seal is more forgiving. It only last 2-4 months on durability. It also doesn't have the hardness that OC has. It's not a coating. It's a sealant.

Thanks IOMCAMARO. I guess I should have been tipped off by the word (Opti)-SEAL. Sealant should have been apparent to me. Opti COAT is a "permanent" COATing. Pretty obvious to me now.

This thread has some really great discussion. Thanks everyone for your comments!
 
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