Corrections? M105/M205 Combo

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Been using these combos here and there and we are NOT finding it to be more corrective than MAYBE 65 to 70 percent..... is this the norm for this combo?!?!?! The polish we used before uses silcone in it - and it did great to lite cut/finish polish. After all the hoopla I read, I decidced to use non silicone Meg products - but have less of a success rate of correction. This may be the amount of polymores or it may be less fillers?!??! Who knows? What are your opinions on the products used?!?!?
 
M105 & 205 are a great combo when used properly. M105 Does dry very fast and has a short working time. A little spray of water or clay lube keeps it going for a couple passes. What Pads/Machines are you using?

Quoted from another post:

M105 is their super micro-abrasive technology. Unlike traditional polishes that require a long working time to break down the abrasive particles, M105 utilizes ultra-hard non-diminishing abrasives that retain their size and shape throughout the polishing cycle. These abrasives are designed to cut hard and fast, and the fact that they maintain a consistent cut from start to finish means that the process goes much more quickly than traditional polishes or compounds. The end result is a heavier cut, with a finer finish, in less time! M105 is capable of removing 1200 grit and finer sanding marks, scratches, acid rain etching, and severe swirls and holograms

M205 is the perfect follow up to M105 to remove slight hazing and to restore a deep gloss, and it acts as a great one step polish to remove light swirls and defects.

M205 quickly restores a high level of gloss after compounding with M105; so long working times are not required. You will be amazed at how little effort is required with M205. It provides incredible results with minimal time.

M205 permanently removes swirls and light defects from all paints, and can be applied by hand, by a random orbital polisher, like the PC 7424XP, or by rotary, such as the Makita 9227C
 
Which type of polisher are you using?

I have had no problems with it. I have only used it with a rotary so far. I have a PC and all the necessary pads at work, but can't use it. My boss says DA's are only good for spreading wax, and he knows that you can't correct paint or polish with one.

It is my favorite compound. Just can't use it at work. My boss likes 3m perfect it. I feel m105 cuts just as hard and finishes much better
 
jmfp said:
Which type of polisher are you using?

I have had no problems with it. I have only used it with a rotary so far. I have a PC and all the necessary pads at work, but can't use it. My boss says DA's are only good for spreading wax, and he knows that you can't correct paint or polish with one.

It is my favorite compound. Just can't use it at work. My boss likes 3m perfect it. I feel m105 cuts just as hard and finishes much better
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I beg to differ.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/28487-honda-accord-saved-meg-s-twins-lots-pics.html
 
jmfp said:
My boss says DA's are only good for spreading wax, and he knows that you can't correct paint or polish with one.
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I disagree along with the others. I use a DA and have had great results which I have posted above. I would recommend you get your hands on and one and give it a shot. You will be pleasant surprised.
 
Today I used M105 on a yellow Meguiar's 6.5 inch polishing pad on my Dynabrade attachment to remove holograms left by M105 and W4000 wool pad on a rotary.

I kept my work aread to about 10x10 (TuscararaDave suggestion), which is what this particular paint called for in technique, and it worked great at removing the terrible oxidation and holograms I was dealing with after the wool and rotary. I cleaned the same polishing pad out and applied M205 and knocked it out of the park. Even killed the RIDS I had, and a few other places I thought would require touch-up paint.

It almost beat me, but with all the oxidation I was working with and the 25 hours to remove it, I stuck it out and learned a little about using M105. Now I can work it dry and get results, or I can work it wet and get results...at least on the paint system I was working on.

Working time was very short, thus the reason for such a small work sections. The sides of the vehicle were entirely different. I got a much longer work cycle on my test spot on the sides of this vehicle. I had three seperate test spots because I was working with 3 types of paint conditions on one SUV. That stinks...
 
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Thoryamaha919 said:
I disagree along with the others. I use a DA and have had great results which I have posted above. I would recommend you get your hands on and one and give it a shot. You will be pleasant surprised.
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I know you can produce beautiful correction with a DA. I have a PC and a GG6 on the way. It's frustrating not being able to use it. Especially when you run into paint that gives you hell. I'm starting my own business next month, so I can do things my way.
 
I have used both with rotary and or DA - It does work great for 1 out of 10 cars..... but nothing like I see on this forum. I have produced amazing results with other brands and combos - but I turned to that combo when out of my stuff and it was easily accessible over the counter. Maybe I am just used to what I use, but I still feel that this combo could only correct very soft clear - IMO of course.
 
B&B Tennessee said:
I have used both with rotary and or DA - It does work great for 1 out of 10 cars..... but nothing like I see on this forum. I have produced amazing results with other brands and combos - but I turned to that combo when out of my stuff and it was easily accessible over the counter. Maybe I am just used to what I use, but I still feel that this combo could only correct very soft clear - IMO of course.
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That's odd on 105's part. I personally only used ultimate compound, and it removed some pretty good swirls.




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jmfp said:
My boss says DA's are only good for spreading wax, and he knows that you can't correct paint or polish with one.
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That's because your boss is old like me and refuses to step out of the box...unlike me....

I have 2 rotaries and 2 dual action polishers....they all get used. :props:
 
jmfp said:
Which type of polisher are you using?

I have had no problems with it. I have only used it with a rotary so far. I have a PC and all the necessary pads at work, but can't use it. My boss says DA's are only good for spreading wax, and he knows that you can't correct paint or polish with one.

It is my favorite compound. Just can't use it at work. My boss likes 3m perfect it. I feel m105 cuts just as hard and finishes much better
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3M acquires Mequiars (inform your BOSS)

Mequiars products must be good (I likethem)

3M to Acquire Meguiar's Inc. | Business Wire
 
B&B Tennessee said:
I have used both with rotary and or DA - It does work great for 1 out of 10 cars..... but nothing like I see on this forum. I have produced amazing results with other brands and combos - but I turned to that combo when out of my stuff and it was easily accessible over the counter. Maybe I am just used to what I use, but I still feel that this combo could only correct very soft clear - IMO of course.
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I get the best results working small sections (about a square foot), with slow speeds (600-1000 rpm). If I am not happy with the results when it begins to dry out, I spritz the section with water and work it again. If there are still defects after that, I wipe clean and go back after it with fresh product. Sometimes I will work sections 3-4 times before I am happy. My only complaint with the system is occasionally having to add a polishing step with a DAT polish after the 205 to get the last little bit of swirls.
 
BobbyG said:
That's because your boss is old like me and refuses to step out of the box...unlike me....

I have 2 rotaries and 2 dual action polishers....they all get used. :props:
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I love my rotary and will never go without one, but pride isn't as important as success to me. I can finish almost all cars swirl free with a rotary. There are just some paints I can't get. He would rather have cars leaving with swirls than listen to me. Its tough to deal with when the boss is mad, because a car is swirled and I have everything sitting right there that I know can perfect the finish. Especially because he has never bothered to do a little research or experimenting with a DA. I guess he will be left behind like a cart in the wind
 
I have used 105/205 and like it.

I find the 105 a bit dusty, and have yet figured out the magic touch of using it.

I DO however used Ultimate Compound with 105 mixed in!
 
I guess what Im trying to say that I just never get that 90% plus correction from the combo that I see many post on here. I can get that while adding other products with the combo no problem. I use the cyclo and the makita - and have been for a long time. Im not downing Meguires, GREAT PRODUCT - just wondering how so many people here get that swirl free result with just the combo. UNLESS - you guys are doing each section 2 or three times with 105, I could see that working. But 6 section pass every 2ft by 2ft area used once has not created 90% plus removal of swirls for myself.
 
A 2'x2' area is quite large for a product that has a very quick working cycle such as M-105. Working such a large work section creates a situation where your product dries up before getting the correction done. Add more product and you're hyper lubricating things and not getting the cut you're after. There seems to be an optimum cutting window somewhere between running wet and completely dry with 105, if you're working a large work section you get none of the benefits of 105's attributes. Shrink it down.
 
jmfp said:
Which type of polisher are you using?

I have had no problems with it. I have only used it with a rotary so far. I have a PC and all the necessary pads at work, but can't use it. My boss says DA's are only good for spreading wax, and he knows that you can't correct paint or polish with one.

It is my favorite compound. Just can't use it at work. My boss likes 3m perfect it. I feel m105 cuts just as hard and finishes much better
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Hmm...I'd have a more direct response on L2D. Let's just say he has his head up a dark, stinky place.
 
B & B, I use it heavily. I find if the surface is nasty, I'm using wool and my rotary. That will knock off most things (90%+). Only rarely do I need to abandon M105 and go to PG with the a/m tools. M105 is great to remove wool induced swirls after you remove the scratches.
 
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