Decon wash? Help a newbie

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So, reading through old threads to learn more....

I see a lot about decon washes, but not what one is or what it entails. Google is not my strong suit, and search gave me a lot of noise instead of results.

So, what is one. And how/when do we do it? I have a couple cars done with cquartz uk 3.0 and am fixing to do my two collector cars when I get the time free. So this is apparently something I need to learn about.
 
Decon is just the clay bar process. The way I do mine is: high alkaline pre wash, wash off, low pH acidic wash, let dwell then add pH neutral soap on top of it for a contact wash. Then you can either use an iron remover and wash it off, or just clay bar the vehicle.

Unless I’m wrong. Which I usually am.
 
So, reading through old threads to learn more....

I see a lot about decon washes, but not what one is or what it entails. Google is not my strong suit, and search gave me a lot of noise instead of results.

So, what is one. And how/when do we do it? I have a couple cars done with cquartz uk 3.0 and am fixing to do my two collector cars when I get the time free. So this is apparently something I need to learn about.

Quite often, the term "decon wash" will refer to a high or low pH soap used to break down contamination and older sealants and waxes. But I tend to use "decon" to describe a more involved process approaching the task from multiple angles, using both mechanical (clay) and chemical steps. All of this is of course all dependant on how contaminated the vehicle is.

For a full rundown, check out the link below -

The above link is a very detailed, so this is a quicker rundown of my decon process -

1. Apply Iron remover to the whole vehicle, from dry. Allow to soak but not dry on the paint.

2. With the iron remover still on the surface, foam a high pH soap over the top and allow to soak but not dry. This helps extend the iron removers working time, but then targets dirt and oily contamination. Think Carpro Lift, NV Snow+, Optimum Touchless ect.

3. Rinse thoroughly.

4. Foam with a low pH soap such as KCx RS or Carpro Descale. This targets mineral deposits. Contact wash with the foam still on the car.

5. Rinse thoroughly.

6. Inspect the paint, if it feels rough or "crunchy", this is when to use a clay product. I do this now before drying the vehicle as you are only going to get the car wet again with clay lubricant, why dry twice? I also prefer the synthetic clay towel/sponge/mitt as they are more efficient and easier to use. However, if the paint is very bad, a traditional clay bar will be more effective. Use soapy water, rinse-less wash or detail spray for lubricant.

7. Rinse again, this removes the clay lube residue.

8. Dry the vehicle. After using a blower to remove as much water as possible, I like to team my drying towel with a prep spray like Carpro Eraser as the "drying aid" at this step. The concept here being the Eraser provides lubrication as you dry, but without leaving something behind. I've also found it helps with evaporation of moisture. This is also good practice as it will remove any lingering chemical residue and helps you inspect the paint properly before polishing.

Depending on how big the car is and how badly contaminated it is, this process would take 60 - 90-minutes.
 
Are you referring to a decon wash for a potentially clogged coating or a decon wash in preparation for polishing the paint?
Great question. My mind went straight to decon wash for unclogging/general coating maintanence.

Especially since he mentioned he has currently 2 cars coated with cquartz.

If thats the case, leave the clay out of the process.
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Great question. My mind went straight to decon wash for unclogging/general coating maintanence.

Especially since he mentioned he has currently 2 cars coated with cquartz.

If thats the case, leave the clay out of the process.
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Yeah same. I think what OP is referring to is the "3ph wash" everyone is doing nowadays where you use a high ph soap, a low ph, soap, and then a ph neutral soap. No iron remover or claying is involved.
 
Yeah same. I think what OP is referring to is the "3ph wash" everyone is doing nowadays where you use a high ph soap, a low ph, soap, and then a ph neutral soap. No iron remover or claying is involved.
I personally skip the neutral soap, dont think its needed. And i use the iron removers when i feel its nessesarry.

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I personally skip the neutral soap, dont think its needed. And i use the iron removers when i feel its nessesarry.

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Same. In theory, the iron remover is the pH neutral part of the equation.
 
Decon is just the clay bar process. The way I do mine is: high alkaline pre wash, wash off, low pH acidic wash, let dwell then add pH neutral soap on top of it for a contact wash. Then you can either use an iron remover and wash it off, or just clay bar the vehicle.

Unless I’m wrong. Which I usually am.

No you got it right but not the clay bar process. Your wash process you did with the 3 soaps is the decon wash.

Iron remover and clay bar extra steps if needed.

OP: look up Labocosmetica 3ph wash.


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To make things go smoothly ....do all the above steps on a cool car that is in a shaded area....my $0.02

Absolutely, especially if you are applying an iron remover to the whole vehicle, or even high/low pH soaps.
 
So, reading through old threads to learn more....

I see a lot about decon washes, but not what one is or what it entails. Google is not my strong suit, and search gave me a lot of noise instead of results.

So, what is one. And how/when do we do it? I have a couple cars done with cquartz uk 3.0 and am fixing to do my two collector cars when I get the time free. So this is apparently something I need to learn about.

It basically a deep clean.

One option would be a alkaline wash. Using the "double tap" method from Labocosmetica.

1. Cut Primus 1:10 and spray the lower panels, dirty areas etc
2. Foam car with Primus cut 1:5 in foam cannon and rinse.
3. Contact wash with Primus. Probably 1:200 - 1:250, can't remember now.

Other options would be acidic and crappy iron removers - i stopped buying iron removers, i don't like them and i don't think they are worth the money.

Some people even claim you can clay a coating, i don't know.

Edit: Primus 2.0 is one if not the most versatile pre-washes on the market and they also have one of the best acidic cleaners.

I'm bit of a Labo fanboy so i will mention that Labo actually does extensive testing BEFORE they release a product - small detailing brands like ADS don't have the resources to do extensive testing - facts. Not what some chemist thought up on paper and now he's hopes it works. They also manufacture and bottle all the products themselves. Which most detailing brands can't claim. Well they can lol
 
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IMO the whole decon wash thing is a leftover from the olden days when the tech we have now, wasn't available. I'm all ears for how something can be left behind a claying and a true polish (you took enough paint off to remove swirls but left behind contaminants???). The entire notion of stuff getting embedded deep into your paint was invented by the people selling the stuff to cure it. My guess was it was a way to expand the market on chemicals sold to dealers to help quickly clean up really dirty new cars.
 
IMO the whole decon wash thing is a leftover from the olden days when the tech we have now, wasn't available. I'm all ears for how something can be left behind a claying and a true polish (you took enough paint off to remove swirls but left behind contaminants???). The entire notion of stuff getting embedded deep into your paint was invented by the people selling the stuff to cure it. My guess was it was a way to expand the market on chemicals sold to dealers to help quickly clean up really dirty new cars.

The only reason I won’t completely disagree with you is because you said “clay & polish”

However it is possible to compound or polish away swirls and not remove contaminants. Just sayin.
 
The only reason I won’t completely disagree with you is because you said “clay & polish”

However it is possible to compound or polish away swirls and not remove contaminants. Just sayin.
Ive found contaminants left still stuck on paint after compounding before. It had amazed me at the time how i could remove paint defects but not some bonded contaminants.

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Check out videos from Labocosmetica on the 2 pH wash. Also you can "clay" a coating with the right fine grade clay towel and an iron remover. I have done this without imparting marring. And in some instances you may need a water spot remover to remove any mineral deposits. Top up with the topper of your choice if you so desire.
 
Ive found contaminants left still stuck on paint after compounding before. It had amazed me at the time how i could remove paint defects but not some bonded contaminants.

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Yup. Many years ago when I 1st got back into detailing I attended the classes at Meguiars and that’s 1 of the questions I asked Mike Stoops.

He described swirls & scratches as below surface defects and contamination as above surface defects or something along those lines [if I’m wrong it’s been a long time] but my 1st thought was “well if we’re removing below surface defects by polishing, why waste our time with the claybar”?

His reply was that we still need to claybar but he could see that I was having a hard time believing it, but he assured me that while it may be hard to grasp that’s the way it’ll play out.

Of course my hard headed arse went and tested that out as soon as I could, and with the heavy contamination we see on vehicles out here, I learned the hard truth rather quick.lol.
 
I've always been of the belief that you want the paint to be as clean and contaminant free as possible before polishing. If there are contaminants still lingering, it reduces the effectiveness of the compound and pad. So, while you might get the result eventually, it's harder and longer to reach that point, and likely blowing through more pads and compound too.
 
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