Detailing with only one pad

So what is the final verdict of HD Speed? This product was recommended to me as a novice detailer doing his first correction on his weekend car (black Ford paint).

My goals is to CORRECT/REMOVE the light to moderate swirls that I have; not just fill them in for them to reappear in a couple of weeks. In that case, I would have bought CG Blacklight.
 
3d speed or carpro reflect are nice for newer paint
3d HD adapt is what I use the most
And scholls s3 gold XXL for bad swirls
 
JoeyGT said:
So what is the final verdict of HD Speed? This product was recommended to me as a novice detailer doing his first correction on his weekend car (black Ford paint).

My goals is to CORRECT/REMOVE the light to moderate swirls that I have; not just fill them in for them to reappear in a couple of weeks. In that case, I would have bought CG Blacklight.
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This thread has been going on forever lol.

Yes HD speed is user friendly easy to use.and you will get good results.

Remember to use a inspection light to see if your removing the swirls don't just assume your taking them out.

And adjust accordingly to determine if you need a more agressive pad.
 
JoeyGT said:
So what is the final verdict of HD Speed? This product was recommended to me as a novice detailer doing his first correction on his weekend car (black Ford paint).

My goals is to CORRECT/REMOVE the light to moderate swirls that I have; not just fill them in for them to reappear in a couple of weeks. In that case, I would have bought CG Blacklight.
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Direct from David Fermani (THE source for all things 3D HD).

"Speed do not fill in the sense of masking or hiding defects. What it does is add extra gloss due to the wax content in it. Speed is a combination of HD Polish & HD Poxy. "

However... he has also said that Poxy "fills". :dunno:

"Not only is Poxy fresh paint safe, it also does a wonderful job of filling/covering light haze and/or cobwebbing. Go for it!"

"Keep in mind that most waxes/sealants are oil based and most will fill by depositing oil on the surface. This oil fills in spider web marring considerably until it gets washed away or evaporates."

The above statements were quoted over in another forum, when he said it didn't have "fillers".

Then Ben@3D said"

"I believe what David was referring to here is that HD Poxy will hide some of those things a bit. However, HD Speed will correct those issues instead of hide them. An IPA wide down will reveal they are no longer there.

There is no chemical added to HD Speed or Poxy with the intent to hide. The chemicals used to provide protection may have slight filling effect as a biproduct but that is not why we use them."

All of the quoted text was/is on Autopia. There was a short, but SPIRITED discussion(1 from Ben) and the rest from David and Rasky (Chad). Chad was determined that SPEED, (and all polishes) by default 'fill'. Where it the statement made by the powers that be from 3D HD is that it in fact doesn't. At the end of the thread, even Thomas Dekany chimed in with his knowledge of the product (being as he once worked at 3D). ;)
 
cardaddy said:
Direct from David Fermani (THE source for all things 3D HD).

"Speed do not fill in the sense of masking or hiding defects. What it does is add extra gloss due to the wax content in it. Speed is a combination of HD Polish & HD Poxy. "

However... he has also said that Poxy "fills". :dunno:

"Not only is Poxy fresh paint safe, it also does a wonderful job of filling/covering light haze and/or cobwebbing. Go for it!"

"Keep in mind that most waxes/sealants are oil based and most will fill by depositing oil on the surface. This oil fills in spider web marring considerably until it gets washed away or evaporates."

The above statements were quoted over in another forum, when he said it didn't have "fillers".

Then Ben@3D said"

"I believe what David was referring to here is that HD Poxy will hide some of those things a bit. However, HD Speed will correct those issues instead of hide them. An IPA wide down will reveal they are no longer there.

There is no chemical added to HD Speed or Poxy with the intent to hide. The chemicals used to provide protection may have slight filling effect as a biproduct but that is not why we use them."

All of the quoted text was/is on Autopia. There was a short, but SPIRITED discussion(1 from Ben) and the rest from David and Rasky (Chad). Chad was determined that SPEED, (and all polishes) by default 'fill'. Where it the statement made by the powers that be from 3D HD is that it in fact doesn't. At the end of the thread, even Thomas Dekany chimed in with his knowledge of the product (being as he once worked at 3D). ;)
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So Speed will correct swirls, and Poxy will fill in whatever I missed? :confused:
 
Joe@NextLevelDetail said:
This thread has been going on forever lol.
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Incredible :D

It's always interesting to see which threads get legs... :xyxthumbs:



JoeyGT said:
So Speed will correct swirls, and Poxy will fill in whatever I missed? :confused:
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Speed is a cleaner/wax

It cleans, (abrades) polishes and waxes. By default any wax or sealant that WORKS fills.

Lets keep this real simple. The idea behind applying a coat of wax or a coat of a sealant is to add a LAYER of protection - correct?

(anyone want to argue with that logic?)


So by default, any wax or sealant that words COATS OVER and leaves itself behind on the surface. If a product is leaving itself behind on the surface then at some level it's filling in.

How can a product not fill if it's depositing itself on the surface?

If a product is NOT depositing itself on the surface and it's SUPPOSE to be leaving behind a layer of protection then it's not working and thus... why would you use it?


A wax or sealant or even a cleaner/wax SHOULD fill - at least to some level because it's leaving itself behind. Kind of common sense.


Poxy is a finishing wax

The term finising wax (or show car wax), means the product only provides pure protection and thus NO cleaning or abrading action. A wax or sealant that cleans is a cleaner/wax or cleaner/sealant.

If the product does zero correction then it is a finishing wax or a show car wax.

Make sense?

If not then read my article here,

The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax



The goal behind applying finishing wax is to leave behind a layer of protection while making the paint clear, glossy and shiny.

If a finishing wax is WORKING that is it's leaving itself behind on the surface then at some level it's filling because it's coating over the surface.

If a finishing wax is NOT leaving itself behind on the surface then why would anyone apply it? What would the purpose be?


One thing for sure, don't turn something very simple like washing and waxing your car into something very complicated like rocket science.


No time to read the entire thread but did the original thread starter ever state what they were working on? And what the goal is?

What you're working on, the condition of the paint and the goal for the end results are the factors you use to choose which products to use.

I cover this and TONS of more information in my book,

The Complete Guide to a Show Car Shine


Get the book. Read it. Know more than most detailers.

Simple really.


;)
 
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