DFB's Soapy Notes

[DFB]

The gallon of Hyper Wash arrived today....................



First impressions, the consistency is certainly thick but not as much as I was expecting. The scent is muted but pleasant, although I have had occasions where the scent when foamed changes profile, so I'll wait until I use it to fully comment. Even so, I'm looking forward to using it on Friday.

 

[DFB]

Meguiar's doesn't provide a pH value for Hyper Wash in the product information, but according to the SDS its apparently 9.0 to 9.8.

Curious, I decided to test this for myself and got 7.68 in concentrate form and 7.89 diluted. Strange.

 

[SNP209]

Meguiar's doesn't provide a pH value for Hyper Wash in the product information, but according to the SDS its apparently 9.0 to 9.8.

Curious, I decided to test this for myself and got 7.68 in concentrate form and 7.89 diluted. Strange.

When Matt from Obsessed Garage was testing soap ph levels hyper wash acted the same way. It rose in ph when diluted but the other soaps he tested fell in ph when diluted. He called the chemist from P&S for some advice and the chemist basically said the hard tap water he was using could be a factor. Matt ended up mixing it with distilled water and got the same result. I'm guessing since hyper wash was formulated for commercial car wash metering systems it acts this way by design.

 

[DFB]

When Matt from Obsessed Garage was testing soap ph levels hyper wash acted the same way. It rose in ph when diluted but the other soaps he tested fell in ph when diluted. He called the chemist from P&S for some advice and the chemist basically said the hard tap water he was using could be a factor. Matt ended up mixing it with distilled water and got the same result. I'm guessing since hyper wash was formulated for commercial car wash metering systems it acts this way by design.

I have watched that video a few times. He also has a great article about pH levels on his website -

Deep Dive Into pH In Car Wash Soap | Car Soap | Obsessed Garage

I too have noticed some weird things regarding soap pH levels in the past. I have had people try and explain this to me a few times, including from the company who is responsible for the soap below. The consensus being that not all pH values are the same, that the specific chemicals used play a part in how that pH value acts.

When I first started testing pH values, mainly as a reference, I noticed a huge discrepancy in the quoted and tested values for the two NV soaps. Now, I had always been a huge fan of these soaps, they foam like champions, are affordable (for us at least), offer near Reset levels of lubrication and slickness, all teamed with exceptional cleaning ability. I always noted how much better Snow cleaned compared to other pH neutral soaps, including Reset. The pH testing confirmed what I had experienced......................

NV Snow -
Quoted pH Value - 7.2
Tested pH Value (Concentrate) - 9.26
Tested pH Value (Diluted) - 9.77





NV Snow+ -
Quoted pH Value - 8.1
Tested pH Value (Concentrate) - 12.05
Tested pH Value (Diluted) - 12.08





For reference, Carpro state that Reset is pH balanced, although we know it cleaners better than the numbers would suggest, which again points to not all pH values are the same.

Carpro Reset -
Quoted pH Value - "Neutral", ie 7.0
Tested pH Value (Concentrate) - 7.51
Tested pH Value (Diluted) - 7.52





Those NV numbers suggest that they would destroy traditional waxes and sealants in short order, but having used them on waxed vehicles for many years, I didn't really notice that. Again, supporting that theory of not all pH values are the same.

 

[Big DaveBig Dave is verified member.]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever collected and tested rain water ph levels?

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[DFB]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever collected and tested rain water ph levels?

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I haven't, but apparantly natural rain water is slightly acidic..................

"Normal, clean rain has a pH value of between 5.0 and 5.5, which is slightly acidic. However, when rain combines with sulfur dioxide or nitrogen oxides—produced from power plants and automobiles—the rain becomes much more acidic. Typical acid rain has a pH value of 4.0."

 

[Desertnate]

I haven't, but apparantly natural rain water is slightly acidic..................

"Normal, clean rain has a pH value of between 5.0 and 5.5, which is slightly acidic. However, when rain combines with sulfur dioxide or nitrogen oxides—produced from power plants and automobiles—the rain becomes much more acidic. Typical acid rain has a pH value of 4.0."

You don't hear about it much any more, but I remember as a kid there would be mention of "acid rain" and its damage fairly frequently after a rainfall when the air quality was bad. This is probably why.

Some of the other soaps may Reset and Tac systems mystic bubble are 500:1. Both I don’t feel the need to use more than recommended.

I'll typically adjust mine based on how dirty the vehicle is. If the vehicle is covered in bugs and grime from a road trip, or like mine now, has been driven in the rain repeatedly and left in an airport parking lot for a week - I'm going to go a touch stronger. Do I need to? Probably not. Normal washes get the normal ratio.

 

[CleanIT]

Great post thank you for sharing. I am a big fan of Reset and Descale. Haven't tried anything else since.

 

[chilly]

I haven't, but apparantly natural rain water is slightly acidic..................

"Normal, clean rain has a pH value of between 5.0 and 5.5, which is slightly acidic. However, when rain combines with sulfur dioxide or nitrogen oxides—produced from power plants and automobiles—the rain becomes much more acidic. Typical acid rain has a pH value of 4.0."

So many people on the Big Island of Hawaii have to have rain water catchment systems in order to survive and with the amount of "vog" (volcanic fog) that can be in the air during a volcanic eruption I have often wondered what their rain water would be like

Back in the 70s and 80s you always heard people in the rust belt talking about "acid rain" and their vehicles certainly looked like it (Edited to add Desertnate beat me to it)

 

[DFB]

I was hoping to be able to edit the original post with new additions to my collection as they arrive. That doesn't seem possible, so I will have to make separate posts for new soaps.

Meguiar's Hyper Wash D110 – a highly concentrated soap with a 400:1 dilution ratio that is aimed at professional or bulk usage. In the US market, Hyper Wash is exceptionally affordable, priced below something like Adam's Car Shampoo or Mega Foam. According to the SDS, Meguiar's doesn't provide a number in their marketing information, pH value of Hyper Dressing is about 9.0 to 9.8. In in theory, this delivers increased cleaning ability and improved wash efficiency. The formula is biodegradable and can be used in a professional metering system.

Meguiar's claim of "rich, stable foam" certainly rings true, Hyper Wash blanketing the car with shaving cream thick foam. The scent is pleasant but somewhat muted, so it won't "out scent" a soap from the likes of KCx, Adam's or Optimum. While not class leading, slickness is agreeable and cleaning ability impressive. The thicker consistency of the concentrate does require more diligence when mixing up foam cannon and bucket solutions. Due to that thickness, this is a soap I would highly suggest fitting one of those Griot's Dispensing Spouts (below), especially if you have a narrow foam cannon opening.

Griots Garage Dispensing Spout

Overall, an impressive workhorse soap. Thanks to those who suggested I try it, I've definitely found another gem.

Lubrication – 7/10
Cleaning Ability 10/10
Scent – Mild, Pleasant.
PH Level – 9.0 to 9.8 (Note – I recorded 7.89)
Consistency - Thick
Foam Quality - Thick
Overall Rating – 8/10

 

[chilly]

I’m glad you finally tried this and reviewed it

I’d like to add you good people need to quit fighting or staying away from thick soaps in your foam cannons

Keep your good sturdy empty and clean gallon jugs, add enough soap for 4 foam gun loads of finished mix, add a quart of warm to hot water, cap it and shake like hell

Let it sit long enough to de-bubble and top off the jug with warm water added slowly

Give it a gentle shake and you have 4 quick reloads on hand

During the outdoor washing season I keep 2 gallons of this premix and a funnel ready to fill my cannon

Gold Class and Hyper Wash stay in suspension for as long as a jug lasts so you don’t need any more than a gentle swishing around before pouring

It’s also a no brainer if you know ahead of time that you don’t need a full load in your cannon for a small job because there’s no math involved in figuring out how much soap you need for a partial fill

It took longer to write this than it does to actually do it


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[Bill D]

I keep my gallon jug of pre mixed shampoo on the side ready to refill my foam gun as I’m washing. If the car is dirty enough I have to refill. Having the jug handy makes things go by smoother while washing.

 

[Eldorado2k]

@DFB. I think your review of Hyper Wash is spot on. Glad you finally got to try it for yourself. It got there quick! [nice spout on the bottle]

 

[Bill D]

That type of spout looks familiar. I swear I have one like that somewhere. I’ll put in on my gallon of HW too

 

[Eldorado2k]

That type of spout looks familiar. I swear I have one like that somewhere. I’ll put in on my gallon of HW too

I used to have pumps on my gallons, but I stopped using them because they required you to pump them in the downward position in order to fit on my shelf and that was always a chore everytime I needed to dispense product because that downward pump usually created a mess.

 

[chilly]

I used to have pumps on my gallons, but I stopped using them because they required you to pump them in the downward position in order to fit on my shelf and that was always a chore everytime I needed to dispense product because that downward pump usually created a mess.

If I don't pull the pump head back up after dispensing an ounce instead of letting the spring slowly push it up I have to make sure I have a "drool cup" under the spout because it slowly pushes out another half a teaspoon or so over the next few hours

 

[DFB]

I’m glad you finally tried this and reviewed it

I’d like to add you good people need to quit fighting or staying away from thick soaps in your foam cannons

Keep your good sturdy empty and clean gallon jugs, add enough soap for 4 foam gun loads of finished mix, add a quart of warm to hot water, cap it and shake like hell

Let it sit long enough to de-bubble and top off the jug with warm water added slowly

Give it a gentle shake and you have 4 quick reloads on hand

During the outdoor washing season I keep 2 gallons of this premix and a funnel ready to fill my cannon

Gold Class and Hyper Wash stay in suspension for as long as a jug lasts so you don’t need any more than a gentle swishing around before pouring

It’s also a no brainer if you know ahead of time that you don’t need a full load in your cannon for a small job because there’s no math involved in figuring out how much soap you need for a partial fill

It took longer to write this than it does to actually do it


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Excellent tip!

Do you mix with distilled or demineralized water to maintain stability and foaming ability?

 

[DFB]

That type of spout looks familiar. I swear I have one like that somewhere. I’ll put in on my gallon of HW too

I have them on most of my gallons now. (Sorry about the OG connection..........)

I used to have pumps on my gallons, but I stopped using them because they required you to pump them in the downward position in order to fit on my shelf and that was always a chore everytime I needed to dispense product because that downward pump usually created a mess.

Same for me, I found I was wasting too much product forgetting to lock it down.

 

[chilly]

Excellent tip!

Do you mix with distilled or demineralized water to maintain stability and foaming ability?

I don't anymore because the water at the new house doesn't kill foam like places I lived in the past

I tried it both ways last summer and there wasn't enough difference to be noticeable

I do use distilled for RW though, and thankfully I can get it fairly cheaply here, although there are times when the stores are simply out of it and I am not sure why

I use a multi towel (Gary Dean) method with RW and save whatever is left in the bucket and just add too it a gallon at a time so the math is easy

I also use distilled in my IK Foamer with BH Auto-Foam because it really makes a difference with that particular chemical

 

[MI Mike]

FYI: I was interested in Koch GSF until I saw Danger: Corrosive on label. Turned the label around and saw in fine print 'Danger Causes Burn, Do not get on skin or clothing. Do not breath fumes Handle with care. Wear rubber gloves and safety glasses. Use only in well ventilated area'. First Ingredient Mention: Sulfuric Acid.
I think I will pass on this product.