Duragloss #601 Polish Bonding Agent Information

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I just wanted to provide a little bit of correct information. Recently I was under the assumption that DG #601 Polish Bonding Agent would work with any product. Well after a brief discussion with Jerry @ Duragloss, they formulated that product to work with their line of polishes/waxes/sealants only. It reduces the cure time to 2 hours or less, depending if the vehicle can be parked in the sun.

Just wanted to clarify and apologize for any posting regarding the use of this product with any other brand.

Thanks,
Richard
 
rwright said:
I just wanted to provide a little bit of correct information. Recently I was under the assumption that DG #601 Polish Bonding Agent would work with any product. Well after a brief discussion with Jerry @ Duragloss, they formulated that product to work with their line of polishes/waxes/sealants only. It reduces the cure time to 2 hours or less, depending if the vehicle can be parked in the sun.

Just wanted to clarify and apologize for any posting regarding the use of this product with any other brand.

Thanks,
Richard
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Thanks for the clarification Richard, good info!
 
I still like the idea of mixing it with the polish...gonna try that soon, I think.
 
Good to know. I just bought a bottle after the last post and was planning on doing the C30 and topping with PB EX-P sometime next month. I have a bunch of EX-P that I need to use up before I buy more sealant. I think I will do a test panel on the hunting truck to see how well they play together before doing the Volvo.

Any ideas of what might happen with any other brands? Poor bonding? Clouding? Paint removal?
 
pfix said:
Good to know. I just bought a bottle after the last post and was planning on doing the C30 and topping with PB EX-P sometime next month. I have a bunch of EX-P that I need to use up before I buy more sealant. I think I will do a test panel on the hunting truck to see how well they play together before doing the Volvo.

Any ideas of what might happen with any other brands? Poor bonding? Clouding? Paint removal?
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I will say no to paint removal. To be honest with you, I wouldn't hesitate mixing it with another product. I just wanted to report my findings so that nobody can hold me liable for any issues they encounter. Use at your own risk.
 
Richard, thanks for the heads up! It's much appreciated
 
As I mentioned over at L2D, I was surprised Jerry told you that. He had told me it would work with any sealant that was a polymeric formula. It flash cures the sealant (at least it does for DG 501 and 105) when it is applied underneath or when they are mixed together in a 4:1 ratio. I have used the mix many, many times this summer to great results, time after time. I doubt whether it would be a problem to use it under another sealant as long as its polymeric based. I do not own any other sealants right now to test that theory with, but it sure can't hurt. Those are my thoughts on it and I've been using this system for a long time.
 
richy said:
As I mentioned over at L2D, I was surprised Jerry told you that. He had told me it would work with any sealant that was a polymeric formula. It flash cures the sealant (at least it does for DG 501 and 105) when it is applied underneath or when they are mixed together in a 4:1 ratio. I have used the mix many, many times this summer to great results, time after time. I doubt whether it would be a problem to use it under another sealant as long as its polymeric based. I do not own any other sealants right now to test that theory with, but it sure can't hurt. Those are my thoughts on it and I've been using this system for a long time.
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Thanks, just what I was hoping for!

I have a little sealant war planned for the upcoming Winter and the player will include:

Duragloss 601/105, 105, 601/111, 111
WGDGPS 3.0
Four Star UPP
Menzerna Power Lock
Blackfire Wet Diamond APP
 
PB- EX-P is is listed as a amino functional resin. I am guessing it will not work with DG 601?
 
I don't think Jerry would have said "it would work with any sealant that was a polymeric formula" unless it was true. I'm guessing that it is true 99% or maybe even all the time but maybe in later conversations he decided he shouldn't be making that claim since he hasn't actually tested it with every single sealant and there could be some other element in some sealant that causes issue.
 
rwright said:
Thanks, just what I was hoping for!

I have a little sealant war planned for the upcoming Winter and the player will include:

Duragloss 601/105, 105, 601/111, 111
WGDGPS 3.0
Four Star UPP
Menzerna Power Lock
Blackfire Wet Diamond APP
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I will be looking very forward to seeing the results of that Richard. Thanks for taking that on.
CEE DOG said:
I don't think Jerry would have said "it would work with any sealant that was a polymeric formula" unless it was true. I'm guessing that it is true 99% or maybe even all the time but maybe in later conversations he decided he shouldn't be making that claim since he hasn't actually tested it with every single sealant and there could be some other element in some sealant that causes issue.
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Perhaps...someone may take something like Collinite which is a hybrid of wax and sealant and try to use it with that or something else other than its intended purpose and then turn around and claim it did not work. I will try to call him today if I can.b
 
This is the description from the Autogeek store. It sounds like it can be used with any polymer based sealant.



Prep your paint for long-lasting protection with PBA!

Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent is similar to an epoxy (A&B) and bonds chemically when it comes into contact with durable polishes. Duragloss PBA will double the durability and protection of polishes when applied prior to polishing.

This is a one of a kind product! Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent serves as “glue” between the paint and a polymer paint sealant in the sense that it encourages a better bond and longer life of the sealant. You can get double the protection and double the length of protection by simply adding one coat of PBA before your last step product.

Duragloss PBA is completely transparent and undetectable underneath the sealant. It removes old wax, which can cause the final coat of protection to appear cloudy, and thereby enhances the final gloss.

Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent takes only a few more minutes to apply and its benefits are long-lasting. PBA potentially doubles the life of your polymer protection. It’s an excellent product to use year-round, but its heightened protection makes it a necessity for winter paint preparation.

To apply Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent, spread a very thin coat over your vehicle. Allow the product to haze but do not remove it. Apply the paint protection of your choice on top of the hazed PBA. Remember that PBA works with polymer sealants, such as Duragloss Clear Coat Polish #111. During the application and removal of the sealant, you will remove both products at once. We recommend using a soft, clean Cobra Indigo Edgeless Microfiber Polishing Cloth for the easiest buffing.

To keep the finish looking fresh, use Duragloss Aquawax #951 as a maintenance wax. If offers additional protection and restores a wet look to the paint.

Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent increases the durability, gloss, and longevity of your paint protection and it only takes minutes to apply. Duragloss PBA has nothing but advantages.
 
CEE DOG said:
I don't think Jerry would have said "it would work with any sealant that was a polymeric formula" unless it was true. I'm guessing that it is true 99% or maybe even all the time but maybe in later conversations he decided he shouldn't be making that claim since he hasn't actually tested it with every single sealant and there could be some other element in some sealant that causes issue.
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Very solid hypothesis Corey! Havent used that word since I graduated from Auburn!
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Get a chance to takl to him? :)
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Unfortunately not. I was busier than can be today and did not have a chance. I am hoping to on Wednesday prior to going into work.
Old Tiger said:
Very solid hypothesis Corey! Havent used that word since I graduated from Auburn!
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I am interested to see why he changed his advise on that. I WILL try to clarify.
 
OK..Clarification time. Maybe I should have put this in a new thread but hopefully anyone interested in DG 601 will read this. I emailed Jerry today and here is an exerpt from the email response. It seems I was mistaken. My apologies if I mislead anyone about using 601 with another sealant.


From Jerry:
"Unless the polishes or waxes contains these specialized polymers we get from Germany the 601 will not add the full protection to any other polishes except the Duragloss polishes like 501,105,101,and the 111. Now thats not to say someone might be using one that has some of the polymeric properties of the polymers we use but ours ours are exclusive to Brothers Research Corp.and have been for over 25 years. I have used 601 with a lot of polishes and waxes in the past and have seen none that would activate like the Duragloss line."
 
Outstanding work Richy! Thanks for the update and clarification.
 
richy said:
As I mentioned over at L2D, I was surprised Jerry told you that. He had told me it would work with any sealant that was a polymeric formula. It flash cures the sealant (at least it does for DG 501 and 105) when it is applied underneath or when they are mixed together in a 4:1 ratio. I have used the mix many, many times this summer to great results, time after time. I doubt whether it would be a problem to use it under another sealant as long as its polymeric based. I do not own any other sealants right now to test that theory with, but it sure can't hurt. Those are my thoughts on it and I've been using this system for a long time.
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I tried 1:4 601/501 mix. It went on and off ok but what PITA to clean up bottles, funnels, etc. I topped with IW845 -I'll interested in the durability. Do you have a convenient method of mixing.
 
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