Evaluate the customer first!

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Evaluate the customer first!


The first thing I teach in my Competition Ready Detailing Class is,

Evaluate the customer


In fact, here's a screenshot of the slide from my Power Point Presentation.


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If you're going to detail cars for money, either part time or full time, then the first thing you want to do when meeting and talking to a potential new customer is through talking to them and asking them questions get a feel for where they are at mentally when it comes to their expectations as it relates to their car and your services.


And here's the true story I share to drive home this important first step.


At a detailing class I was teaching on Saturday, before the class started a gentleman drove up in his brand new black Corvette convertible, I think this was 2006 so it would have been a 2006 Corvette.

He approached me and told me his story and then asked me a question. Here's his story,


Mike, after purchasing this black Corvette I noticed there were swirls in the paint from the dealership. I sought out a professional detailer with a good reputation and paid him well to detail my Corvette and remove the swirls. ($300.00 was the price I think he told me that he paid for the work).

Now I'd like to ask you to look at my Corvette, do you see all the swirls and scratches?


It was morning as the class had not started yet but the sun was out enough that I could inspect the paint and the paint was filled with swirls and scratches.


Now here's the question he asked me,


Am I within my rights to ask this detailer for my money back?


I looked at the car and then looked at him and then asked him this question,


How do you wash the car?



He looked back at me with a dumbstruck deer caught in the headlights kind of look and without missing a beat said,


I take it to the 100% Hand Car Wash in my neighborhood



I then answer his question. I said "no" you're not within your right to ask for your money back because chance are very good that the detailer did the job he was paid to do and that was he returned to you a scratch and swirl free finish.

The swirls and scratches that are now in your paint are the result from how the car is washed. It doesn't matter if the sign out front of the car wash says,


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Because the reality is that the people washing the cars are using the same wash mitt to wash your black Corvette that they previously used to wash hundreds of other cars in all extremes of dirt levels from just a little dirty to mud bogging dirty.

Chances are also good the wash mitts are not only worn-out but have been used to wash wheels, fender lips, bumpers and lower body panels which are all areas that have heavier dirt accumulation. There's also a very good chance that the wash mitts get dropped on the ground from time to time and simply continued to be used.


Point being, taking a highly polished black Corvette with a scratch-sensitive clearcoat finish is a surefire recipe to have swirls and scratches inflicted into the paint.

I went on to tell him that after having a car professional detailed that in order to maintain the swirl-free results, that the owner now has one of two options.

1. Take ownership of the washing process.

In my how-to book I describe two approaches to washing a car, the aggressive approach and the careful approach. To maintain a swirl free finish on a swirl free car a person must use the careful approach.


2. Hire a qualified professional detailer to wash your car for you but having them put you into their "Maintenance Program".


He didn't like either of these options. He told me he had retired and the Corvette was his present to himself. By the way he spoke I could tell that in his mind, when he retired he did not plan on doing any work and washing his own car in his mind qualified as work and he wasn't going to have anything to do with it.


My recommendation to him was to sell the black Corvette and purchase a silver metallic Corvette because silver metallic paint jobs hide and mask swirls the best.


Now here's where his head was at when it came to getting his car detailed. He thought that because he paid a lot of money to get his car detailed that somehow taking the money out of his wallet and giving it to the detailer changed the paint on his car so that it would never get swirls again.


He had unrealistic expectations.


In fact, by getting his car detailed he just set up a scenario where ANY new swirl or scratch would show up and stand out like a sore thumb.


The professional detailer probably is very good at detailing cars but he never learned to evaluate his customers.


So if you're going to detail cars for money, learn and acquire the communication skills and the ability to read people and before evaluating the finish on their car first start by evaluating the customer.



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I usually run things past my dog and let her do the evaluating



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Disclaimer...I`m not a professional detailer but owned a very successful produce co. for twenty years.

There were from time to time salesmen from much larger company's trying to under cut my pricing by peanuts. Sometimes my customers would try them out on some of the items I sold. I checked my ego at the door knowing all the aspects of our local distribution as I was one of them. I owned and produced produce(pun?) but was a direct suppler to these rests. as I cooked with the owners before they became owners in years past as a Chef.

They always came back with their tail between their legs yet would never admit it.

Explanation is key depending on attitude.
Attitude is key but can change quite quickly.

Hold your ground in a respectful manor and see if they come back for a professional evaluation. (After they get burned by the other guys).

If you sell your services to cheap you are working backwards depending on your financial needs and location.

Long winded but hopes it helps

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Mike this is perfect.I just met with a potential client which resulted in a scheduled full interior and exterior detail on a 2010 C350. He is a regional mobile director for a cell company (he is mature,successful and has taste) I brought him in to evaluate the Benz and find out the emotional connection he has with his car,if he didn't have one then I had to create one within him by drawing that picture in his mind for him.After I had him seeing the vehicle for what it really is and what it SHOULD be I pulled it into the back,did a test spot,removed all swirls and defects,pulled it out and showed him and then that newly formed love affair was alive!! He was like a kid again smiling and I knew I had accomplished what I needed to.It was very rewarding for the both of us.

To Richy:That key repair you advised me on was perfect and i have pics for you to see when I get to posting them.Your a rock star Rich!
 
Good advice Mike!

Thanks Frank...



Disclaimer...I`m not a professional detailer but owned a very successful produce co. for twenty years.

Thanks Tim for chiming in with some helpful experience.


Great piece of advice!! Thanks Mike

Thank you... just trying to help others. If I didn't think this was important I would not have created this thread nor start my Power Point Presentation this way.



Mike this is perfect.

I appreciate your sharing an experience that goes with the topic of this thread.


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I'd say this is at the top of the list for all time as far as advice. By speaking with a potential client you must ask questions, establish what they expect, and explain what is realistic and what is not.

Also WHY do they want this work done? To sell it? To restore it to its previous beauty because they love it? You must see the finished car and the reasons for it to be so through their eyes to get the big picture. That gives you a good idea of the time, processes, and products needed to give satisfaction. It also helps to determine the price of the work.
 
I remember the advice Mike gave me "know when to walk away from a job!"...so true. Thanks as always Mike!
 
This is one of the first things a new detailer should read. It took me so long to get this concept through my head.

Most people are clueless, and that's ok. They aren't professional detailers. Most of the time, no amount of talking to them and educating them is going to get them to stop going through automatics or even understand paint correction. AIO's or 1steps are perfect for these customers. It's not cutting corners, it's simply meeting their needs and expectations.

When that dude, pictured in the original post shows up talking the talk, you better step up with your A game. He'll be expecting a swirl free finish and you better be able to deliver.
 
IMO:
Conversely...From the new Customers' point of view.

With every new encounter you, the Businessman doing Business as a Detailer, are also being evaluated.

It takes just a quick glance, maybe just a few seconds, for someone to evaluate you when you meet for the first time. In this short time, the other person forms an opinion about you based on your appearance, your body language, your demeanor, your mannerisms, how you are dressed, etc.

These first impression can be nearly impossible to reverse or undo, making those first encounters extremely important: They do set the tone for all the relationships that follows.

And, yet: Another person's impression of you is formed.



Bob
 
Agreed, that's why it is important to have an immaculately clean shop and personal appearance. If you look like a hobo, nobody will take you seriously.
 
Great thread, this is for sure a point I have still on development. I face a daily challenge on understanding customers better, this forum helps every aspect of detailing, perfectly.

One thing I take very serious is to under promise and over deliver (all within the price arranged, sure).

I've noticed it's better to say 'this will not totally come out', and take it out, than saying you'll deliver 100% perfection and achieve "JUST" 99%... you're still under 100.

See how to make 99% correction invaluable, small?

Thanks for this thread Mike, and to everyone who posted their thoughts and experiences.

Kind Regards.
 
IMO:
Conversely...From the new Customers' point of view.

With every new encounter you, the Businessman doing Business as a Detailer, are also being evaluated.

It takes just a quick glance, maybe just a few seconds, for someone to evaluate you when you meet for the first time. In this short time, the other person forms an opinion about you based on your appearance, your body language, your demeanor, your mannerisms, how you are dressed, etc.

These first impression can be nearly impossible to reverse or undo, making those first encounters extremely important: They do set the tone for all the relationships that follows.

And, yet: Another person's impression of you is formed.



Bob
Have you seen Robert Diterlizzi from Impressions if he has`nt shaved...scary.Kidding but local reputation can go a long way with referrals.Robert has turned down jobs by reading potential clients and their exaggerated expectations for the gingle they are willing to spend.
 
Mike I feel you're pain with that guy. :rolleyes:

There is a guy I've mentioned before, done work for before, used to live up the street. He has everything from 60's & 70's Chevy's and Mopars, (half a dozen at least), to new age muscle cars, brand new Viper (sold his 09), C6 Z06, GT500, and a new C7.

Swirls are something he doesn't see! He just want the cars "shiny". "Make them shiny" he tells me. When I last had his red Viper (the 09) for a thorough detail I did a paint correction down half the trunk, across the 3rd brake light, down the back (just for snits and giggles). Then put sealant on the whole car. He couldn't tell the difference!!! :dunno:

Some just want them "clean" some want "shiny", and on a rare occasion they actually want clean, shiny, and RIGHT!

My Dad was a Dry Cleaner before WWII, then did it again along with a shoe shop after the war. Then they sold that business around 1970 and started opening hair salons. He used to tell me.

"An unhappy customer will tell a thousand people where a happy one may not tell anyone." The moral of the story was to make sure they ALL were happy!

And THAT is exactly what this business will get you.... if they are not ALL happy! The trick is figuring out HOW to make them happy. ;) :laughing:
 
i took down really good notes about this subject during the boot camp this past weekend. this is probably one of the most important things to remember when getting started. we dont want all our hard work to go to waste.

Vargas
 
i took down really good notes about this subject during the boot camp this past weekend. this is probably one of the most important things to remember when getting started. we dont want all our hard work to go to waste.

Vargas


I watched you taking notes as well as always diving right in when it came to the hands-on portion of the class.

Pictures: Detailing Classes at Autogeek - May 2014

Here's Vargas aka refreshauto using a foam gun in my last detailing class....

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Evaluating the condition of the car is important and we went over that in the class too but first and foremost is evaluating your customer.


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