First day using Bilt Hamber touchless.

Coatingsarecrack said:
So when using in a foam cannon BH says to use sparingly. You don’t need to drench the car. Literally if it’s got a coat on it your good. One PF22 filled should do 2-3 times.

To be more economical get an IK foam pro 2. 4oz to 100oz of water will clean your suv 1.5-2 times…


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I have an iK foamer, but it’s the smaller versions (1.5 and 9?). I just hate pumping those things but might try. I used the smaller one with frothe before.

I think it’s really hard using less with the PF22, it covers everything pretty fast. I did use the whole bottle but I went back and covered the dirtier parts more than once. It’s quite runny so the covered is not even as good as using reset, for example.
 
Or an IK with a schrader valve/air compressor or a cordless foamer like the SPTA or Griot's that's coming out in Spring. I also hate pumping.
 
Yep crack is correct.

Also i use touchless in a regular 2 gallon garden pump sprayer with 9-10 oz of touchless.

It really is amazing how well this stuff works. Juat used it the othe day at the coin op...the car was retty nasty with road film and mud splatter. when i brought it home and being its a black car id be easy to see..but there was not one single indication of a road film line on it.

You can use it with a garden hose for rinse, but i have noticed a pw will remove the road film better than a hose

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I look forward to trying BH Touchless or AF. Just got to use up some more of what I have on hand first.
 
opie said:
Yep crack is correct.

Also i use touchless in a regular 2 gallon garden pump sprayer with 9-10 oz of touchless.

It really is amazing how well this stuff works. Juat used it the othe day at the coin op...the car was retty nasty with road film and mud splatter. when i brought it home and being its a black car id be easy to see..but there was not one single indication of a road film line on it.

You can use it with a garden hose for rinse, but i have noticed a pw will remove the road film better than a hose

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In that case then it's all just liquid and no foam to cling to the paint for a while? I'm guessing it has cleaning power to do its thing even if it's just sprayed on but then it probably runs off faster than as a foam. Even as a foam, because it's watery, it didn't last that long on the paint. Just enough time to for me to go rinse the foam cannon clean and switch my water to deionized, then it was looking like much of the foam had dripped to the floor and I was afraid it would start drying on the paint so I proceeded to rinse. The first hit of water from the power washer doesn't rinse it immediately, it almost looks like a film, but just a little more water over it and it seems to be gone and beading is back.
 
Bruno Soares said:
In that case then it's all just liquid and no foam to cling to the paint for a while? I'm guessing it has cleaning power to do its thing even if it's just sprayed on but then it probably runs off faster than as a foam. Even as a foam, because it's watery, it didn't last that long on the paint. Just enough time to for me to go rinse the foam cannon clean and switch my water to deionized, then it was looking like much of the foam had dripped to the floor and I was afraid it would start drying on the paint so I proceeded to rinse. The first hit of water from the power washer doesn't rinse it immediately, it almost looks like a film, but just a little more water over it and it seems to be gone and beading is back.
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Check out that video Auto HQ did. She got as good or better results from the sprayer.

I don't know how BH AF/Touchless clings to the surface but if it's anything like Feynlab Pure Rinseless it will cling very well. If that's the case you're good to go as the surface will be saturated and start to break things down.
 
Bruno Soares said:
In that case then it's all just liquid and no foam to cling to the paint for a while? I'm guessing it has cleaning power to do its thing even if it's just sprayed on but then it probably runs off faster than as a foam. Even as a foam, because it's watery, it didn't last that long on the paint. Just enough time to for me to go rinse the foam cannon clean and switch my water to deionized, then it was looking like much of the foam had dripped to the floor and I was afraid it would start drying on the paint so I proceeded to rinse. The first hit of water from the power washer doesn't rinse it immediately, it almost looks like a film, but just a little more water over it and it seems to be gone and beading is back.
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Correct no foam, but as long as its not a steaming hot panel or in direct sunlight the panels will stay wet after the 3-5 minutes it takes to go around the car. Personally i dont think the foaming matters in this instance. Itsaves me alot of money using a cheap pump sprayer and less product compared to foam cannon. I can get 4-5 vehicles outta 2 gallon mix

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opie said:
Correct no foam, but as long as its not a steaming hot panel or in direct sunlight the panels will stay wet after the 3-5 minutes it takes to go around the car. Personally i dont think the foaming matters in this instance. Itsaves me alot of money using a cheap pump sprayer and less product compared to foam cannon. I can get 4-5 vehicles outta 2 gallon mix

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Good to know. Wondering how well Touch Less would do in my sprayer for pre-soaking when doing a rinseless. Usually I just use the same rinseless product but perhaps I could use say an ounce of Touch Less in 1.5L of water to spray the panel and then proceed with rinseless? Maybe it's fine since touch less seems to rinse easier than auto foam.
 
Bruno Soares said:
Good to know. Wondering how well Touch Less would do in my sprayer for pre-soaking when doing a rinseless. Usually I just use the same rinseless product but perhaps I could use say an ounce of Touch Less in 1.5L of water to spray the panel and then proceed with rinseless? Maybe it's fine since touch less seems to rinse easier than auto foam.
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Some of the rinseless products are surprisingly great pre-soak products. Next 50F day I'm going to test Feynlab Pure Rinsless as a pre-wash. I suppose if the rinseless wash completely removes the BH you should be ok.
 
Bruno Soares said:
I have an iK foamer, but it’s the smaller versions (1.5 and 9?). I just hate pumping those things but might try. I used the smaller one with frothe before.

I think it’s really hard using less with the PF22, it covers everything pretty fast. I did use the whole bottle but I went back and covered the dirtier parts more than once. It’s quite runny so the covered is not even as good as using reset, for example.
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Yeah but try a lot less next time you’ll be surprised. Start top down and let it run down. The IK foam pro 12 has a battery pack and electric pump that will be coming out. Or you can do what Klasse did and just right up a cheap tire inflator.

If you wet the car 1st don’t apply touchless dry.

How did you like Frothe? Messy at first?


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oneheadlite said:
A while back I put up a post pondering the effectiveness of products applied as a mist vs as a foam; Mike Phillips chimed in and thought the misted product would be as effective.

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...oam-vs-fine-mist-question.html?highlight=mist
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Interesting. I agree with MP here.

I have an IK Pro 12 and honestly it's just OK to me. Works well enough. I want to look at a battery powered foamers; one that puts out more foam if one exists.

I love my Marolex sprayer more though.
 
oneheadlite said:
A while back I put up a post pondering the effectiveness of products applied as a mist vs as a foam; Mike Phillips chimed in and thought the misted product would be as effective.

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...oam-vs-fine-mist-question.html?highlight=mist
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I missed that post

Off the top of my head I am thinking that the basic inherent cleaning ability of a given product might have more to do with it than how it's applied

I am sure the HOW does have a lot to do with it but it has been demonstrated so many times that applying a super heavy foaming wash with a top notch foam cannon doesn't do much if the soap doesn't inherently have cleaning ability

I think I will get one of my good older ZEP spray bottles that I know is capable of a super fine mist and do half of a panel with that and half with my new IK foamer and see if there is a measurable difference

I had several gallon pump garden sprayers in Hawaii with various weed and insect sprays and I struggled to get any kind of fine control over the amount and pattern of the spray

It was either off or a flood, but these were $20 Ace Hardware sprayers and I know there are better ones out there capable of fine mist and more controllable adjustments

Let the science begin...
 
chilly said:
Off the top of my head I am thinking that the basic inherent cleaning ability of a given product might have more to do with it than how it's applied

I am sure the HOW does have a lot to do with it but it has been demonstrated so many times that applying a super heavy foaming wash with a top notch foam cannon doesn't do much if the soap doesn't inherently have cleaning ability
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Good point. Some products are going to cling better but also dissolve more dirt on the surface. I know Miranda likes APC's for presoaks and basically ditched the pre-foam products like Gyeon which doesn't clean well at all. BH remains the exception to this.

More often than not foaming is more for visual appeal. People like it just like they like beading even though it may not be actually doing anything positive for you.

The New DIY Rinsless Wash actually foams really well. Contains a lot of emulsifiers and surfactants.
 
CleanIT said:
Good point. Some products are going to cling better but also dissolve more dirt on the surface. I know Miranda likes APC's for presoaks and basically ditched the pre-foam products like Gyeon which doesn't clean well at all. BH remains the exception to this.

More often than not foaming is more for visual appeal. People like it just like they like beading even though it may not be actually doing anything positive for you.

The New DIY Rinsless Wash actually foams really well. Contains a lot of emulsifiers and surfactants.
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I think run of the mill foams help with loose dust and stuff, but I also think that 99% of that stuff gets knocked off by a pressure rinse anyway without soap

I feel like a lot of the newer products are putting all the elements of an effective product into one package and its a matter of finding a product and process that works for YOUR dirt with YOUR water in YOUR location, as Crack has claimed from the start
 
chilly said:
I think run of the mill foams help with loose dust and stuff, but I also think that 99% of that stuff gets knocked off by a pressure rinse anyway without soap
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Agree...also most have a minimal affect on traffic film. Unlike BH and im sure a few others

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And on a separate note I am kicking myself for not thinking about ordering the special pump to dispense the BH 5 liter jug products

PITA
 
I think what I’m going to do going forward after I polish and apply new coating next year, is use BH Touchless (or any effective prewash) as much as possible and follow up with a spray and rinse sealant. That will reduce how much I am touching the paint and will cutdown on swirl marks.


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