First time polishing - caused swirls

Thanks for the responses. I looked at them today under more florescent lights and it seems like there are some straight line scratches too. Thin but noticeable to me.

I only used Supreme 530s and Chinchillas to remove product. I'm beginning to truly believe that these were there, just covered up.
 
Darn, that means that they're most likely all over the whole car.

*Expletives censored*

Oh well. I just wish it would stop raining so I could do some work. I'm going to have to do a panel a day and at this rate I might be done by Halloween.
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
Darn, that means that they're most likely all over the whole car.

*Expletives censored*

Oh well. I just wish it would stop raining so I could do some work. I'm going to have to do a panel a day and at this rate I might be done by Halloween.
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LOL, what kind of polishes do you have?
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
Thanks for the responses. I looked at them today under more florescent lights and it seems like there are some straight line scratches too. Thin but noticeable to me.

I only used Supreme 530s and Chinchillas to remove product. I'm beginning to truly believe that these were there, just covered up.
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They were there. The AIO didn't touch it. You can't induce "swirls" with a buffer, or strait line scratches. You can fix them with the WG twins.

Also, if the were holograms, its likely they would be visible under regular lighting at different angles. If you need gas station lights (an night?) as the only way to see them, they are fine swirls in the clear coat.
 
swanicyouth said:
They were there. The AIO didn't touch it. You can't induce "swirls" with a buffer, or strait line scratches. You can fix them with the WG twins.

Also, if the were holograms, its likely they would be visible under regular lighting at different angles. If you need gas station lights (an night?) as the only way to see them, they are fine swirls in the clear coat.
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The Blackfire Duo > Wolfgang Duo, IMO
 
I used the lights at night last night because I didn't get done until after dark and again today because there was no sun. Rain in the forecast at least the next 5 days too. Neighbors were complaining about the polisher too but oh well lol. Street parking is what it is.
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
I used the lights at night last night because I didn't get done until after dark and again today because there was no sun. Rain in the forecast at least the next 5 days too. Neighbors were complaining about the polisher too but oh well lol. Street parking is what it is.
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Those gas station fluorescent lights at night are the most revealing lights there are IME. They can show the most shallow of defects. Its likely the swirls were there and you just didn't see them - and won't see them unless your looking under those lights at night.

Quite honestly, a Brinkmann can't hold a candle to those lights.
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
Darn, that means that they're most likely all over the whole car.

*Expletives censored*

Oh well. I just wish it would stop raining so I could do some work. I'm going to have to do a panel a day and at this rate I might be done by Halloween.
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swanicyouth said:
They were there. The AIO didn't touch it. You can't induce "swirls" with a buffer, or strait line scratches. You can fix them with the WG twins.

Also, if the were holograms, its likely they would be visible under regular lighting at different angles. If you need gas station lights (an night?) as the only way to see them, they are fine swirls in the clear coat.
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Don't be so bummed about the rain. take this time, as you are doing, to get a game plan together for when the weather breaks and you can tackle the car!

:)

Take it panel by panel if you have to. Start with the trunk, do the test spot to see if you need both of the twins or just the lesser of the two to correct the paint (i'm not familiar with the 'resistance' of Hyundai paint to correction).

Get the trunk sorted and sealed, then start on a new panel if you wish or let it go for now.

Maybe a few folks on here can recommend a good OTC stripping wash (dare I suggest Dawn?) to help remove all of the *whatever* that is on the car now to show the true paint condition?

You'll get there.
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
Can dry buffing cause a lot of swirling?
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I'm not a fan of the "idea" of buffing till the residue is gone... here's an article on this topic, kind of surprised no already posted a link to it. :dunno:


Wet Buffing Technique


The Wet Buffing Technique
Most compounds and polishes should be used so that there is enough product on the surface to maintain a wet film while the product is being worked. The wetness of the product is lubricating the paint as the abrasives abrade the paint and cushion or buffer the abrading action so the abrasives don’t simply scour the finish leaving behind what we call micro-marring or hazing the paint.

Micro-marring, Hazing or Tick Marks
MicromarringTickMarks01.jpg





Tip: Wet film behind your path-of-travel
Everyone new to buffing wants to be told some easily identifiable sign that they can use to tell when it's time to stop buffing and it's not that simple, so here's an indicator I've always used and share in our detailing classes.


As you're making a single pass with the polisher, the paint behind the path-of-travel should have a visible wet film on it. If the paint behind the pad is dry and shiny, you've run out of lubrication and you're dry buffing.

Turn the polisher off. Wipe the residue off and inspect using a Swirl Finder Light to make sure you didn't dull or micro-mar the paint, you usually won't cause any harm, but pay attention when your running the polisher and don't buff to a dry buff. If you do, you can quickly re-polish that section by cleaning your pad and adding a little fresh product and making a few new section passes.

Wet film behind your path-of-travel
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Kyle_Elantra said:
WG twins and the aforementioned XMT 360.
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You can troubleshoot the origins of the problem by troubleshooting.


See post #80 of this thread...

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...led-still-have-swirls-after-hours-work-8.html


Here you go, how to troubleshoot this problem...



How to troubleshoot a problem
Find a section where you see the defects and place a tape-line across it so the defects are on both sides of the tape line.

Next buff on just one side using good technique with your compound and polish like you're doing a Test Spot.


Step 1 - Place a tape-line down across the section of paint where you see the problem.

Step 2 - Take your DA Polisher, a clean foam "polishing" pad and some Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover and buff on one side of the tape-line for about 6-8 section passes. DON'T BUFF TO A DRY BUFF. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SEE A WET FILM OF PRODUCT BEHIND THE PATH OF TRAVEL FOR THE POLISHER/PAD. Anytime you see you are buffing dry, STOP BUFFING.

I cover dry buffing and how to recover from dry buffing in my how-to book on page 106

Step 3 - Carefully wipe the polish residue off the section you just buffed before it dries and then inspect like shown here,

How to correctly fold and use a Microfiber Towel



Are the defects gone? If so, move to the next step.

Do the defects remain? If so post back here what you see.​


You can do it.


:)
 
erichaley said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't both the Blackfire duo and the Wolfgang duo essentially the same products (Menzerna IP 1500 and Menzerna SF 4000)?
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I thought the same as well. However, Todd Helme said despite the contrary, they are not the exact same(blackfire at least). The SRC Compound came out before SIP, and the SRC Finishing Polish has a bit more cut and finishes a bit better than SF4000. Again, this is from Todd Helme.

I'm almost positive the products are made by Menzerna, but pretty sure they're not the exact same. Remember, PBMG purchased Blackfire from Classic Motoring. Wolfgang was started by PBMG, so I'm not sure about that.
 
Kyle,

Don't let it get you down. We all have detailing failures. In fact, I had a major "whoops" last week that I spent the entire weekend fixing. I'll post about it later today or tomorrow, but lets just say that it involved repainting/re-clearing a panel, something I have never done before, on a car that's only four months old. The worst thing about it was that it was totally preventable. If I had been taking the same precautions I had been previously, it would have never happened. By taking a step back, doing lots of research, and doing a test panel, the results were absolutely amazing!

The point is, you will face all kinds of challenges and obstacles when it comes to detailing, and really, all aspects of life. It's how we react to these that define who we really are.

When something gets in your way, there are two basic options: give up, or find a way to move forward. It's okay to be frustrated and have thoughts of giving up. It happens to all of us. You did the right thing by coming here and asking questions so that you can find a way of achieving the results you are looking for.

Detailing takes time, it takes trial and error, it takes accepting some level of risk, and most importantly, it takes patience.
 
Hi Kyle.

It sounds to me like the swirls were covered with a double whammy of fillers, both from the glaze at the dealership and at the body shop too. I'm with Swanicyouth and the others in that my opinion is that you simply removed a good portion of the fillers by polishing with the XMT 360 to reveal the true condition of the paint.

I'd be willing to bet that if you took some odorless mineral spirits or some wax & tar remover and did a good two towel wipedown of another part of the car to remove any fillers, those areas would look even worse under those gas station lights than what your trunk lid does.

It takes a good amount of time, the right products and the right technique to level those swirls out of your car's paint finish, and XMT 360 just isn't the right product to get-er-done. Looks like you're in good hands already as per all the posting in this thread.
 
erichaley said:
Kyle,

Don't let it get you down. We all have detailing failures. In fact, I had a major "whoops" last week that I spent the entire weekend fixing. I'll post about it later today or tomorrow, but lets just say that it involved repainting/re-clearing a panel, something I have never done before, on a car that's only four months old. The worst thing about it was that it was totally preventable. If I had been taking the same precautions I had been previously, it would have never happened. By taking a step back, doing lots of research, and doing a test panel, the results were absolutely amazing!

The point is, you will face all kinds of challenges and obstacles when it comes to detailing, and really, all aspects of life. It's how we react to these that define who we really are.

When something gets in your way, there are two basic options: give up, or find a way to move forward. It's okay to be frustrated and have thoughts of giving up. It happens to all of us. You did the right thing by coming here and asking questions so that you can find a way of achieving the results you are looking for.

Detailing takes time, it takes trial and error, it takes accepting some level of risk, and most importantly, it takes patience.
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:goodpost: :iagree:
 
Side Note: Thanks for the links guys. It is hard to find them when you are using AGO on the phone.

(It needs to be revitalized in my opinion)

Is it still raining Kyle?

Test spots are critical in this line of business FYI :)
 
It's not raining right now, but the next "clear" day on the forecast is Friday.


erichaley said:
Kyle,

Don't let it get you down. We all have detailing failures. In fact, I had a major "whoops" last week that I spent the entire weekend fixing. I'll post about it later today or tomorrow, but lets just say that it involved repainting/re-clearing a panel, something I have never done before, on a car that's only four months old. The worst thing about it was that it was totally preventable. If I had been taking the same precautions I had been previously, it would have never happened. By taking a step back, doing lots of research, and doing a test panel, the results were absolutely amazing!

The point is, you will face all kinds of challenges and obstacles when it comes to detailing, and really, all aspects of life. It's how we react to these that define who we really are.

When something gets in your way, there are two basic options: give up, or find a way to move forward. It's okay to be frustrated and have thoughts of giving up. It happens to all of us. You did the right thing by coming here and asking questions so that you can find a way of achieving the results you are looking for.

Detailing takes time, it takes trial and error, it takes accepting some level of risk, and most importantly, it takes patience.
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Thanks for this...more than you know. My wife is moving out today and this helped. :(
 
Kyle_Elantra said:
Thanks for this...more than you know. My wife is moving out today and this helped. :(
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Ah, she must have seen the credit card statement... :)

But in all seriousness, I'm very sorry to hear that. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt but she got half so now it's just a rag...

Hope it all works out for the best of all involved.
 
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