A friend has a black Honda Passport 4x4. Although it has never been taken off-road, it has been through hundreds of machine car washes. The micro-scratches were very thick, almost to the point of making the paint look like it was a dark grey. I decided to compare the HD Speed to the UHS, I used the Flex 3401 with the HD Speed and the Rupes 21 with the UHS. I tried to refine my technique by going very slowly and letting the chemicals and the polishers do their jobs. Overall, the results were pretty much equal. However, as many have experienced, the Rupes was a challenge to keep rotating on some of the sharp curves and side panels. The Flex powered through like a tank, but it also weighed more than the Rupes and it was a bit more of a challenge to keep from getting fatigued. The HD Speed and the UHS seemed to both work well. I was equally impressed by both of them. Slow is the key word, let the machines and the products work the surface. In the end, I was amazed at the outcome. The paint looked better than new, aside from some scrapes and some really deep scratches. Two great products that I would recommend without reservations. Good luck. Phil
Flex 3401 and HD Speed vs. Rupes 21 and UHS
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that's just it, if someone isn't patient and gets easily annoyed of stalling, then the flex is the way to go. there's a reason why it's been around as long as it has...
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What about the Mark II with a washer mod? Will it still stall out on moderate curves?
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One thing to keep in mind UHS is a traditional polish with no protective attributes. HD Speed is and AIO. IMHO HD Speed is one of, if not the best ever formulated. Great comparison, you've proven how superior HD Speed is to any finsihing polish out there, which is what I've always personally believed based upon my experiences with it too. Thanks for the review.
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I have the Rupes mini and 15 MK II and they have never had this stalling problem? I use Rupes pads and polishes only with my Rupes machines and have been very happy with the performance. I also have Flex 3401 and it is great also but is forced rotation so stalling is not possible unless I sit on it.
Without the washer mod it will power through moderate curves. On aggressive curves a wrist adjustment and it will power through those too. The MKII's are correction monsters, think rotary.
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Re: Flex 3401 and HD Speed vs. Rupes 21 and UHS, Pinnacle Advanced Wheel Cleaner and Black Fire Eclipse Tire Gel, Thumbs up all around
Here is another experience with the Flex 3401 and HD Speed and the Rupes 21 and UHS pads and product. A buddy has a late 90s Mercedes E320. I don't think that he has ever washed it, really. The surface of the paint was so rough, it was like 80 grit sandpaper. He was doing a favor on my car so I thought that I would return the favor. I washed it, out in the street, I didn't want all of the crud from the car in my driveway. I then clayed it, twice, it was so rough. I pulled it into the garage and pulled out the Flex 3401 and the HS Speed, I really could have reached for the blue pads and product for my Rupes 21, but I had to work on it and night and it was already approaching 8 pm. I was blown away by the results, it turned out great. The were some small rust puckers on the hood, nothing but a repaint is going to fix those, but man, did it turn out nice. I did pull the Rupes and the UHS pad and product for a comparison, but the hood on the Mercedes had some curves that the Rupes just doesn't handle very well. It isn't technique, it is the machine. It is great on large flat or flatter surfaces, but it stalls out on the curves and on the side panels. I am sorry to say that but that is my experience. The Rupes is a great tool, well engineered and lighter than the Flex, but when time is a consideration, the Flex is my go to machine. I added a shot of the hood, with a before and after. It had been washed and clayed, half polished with HS Speed and half not, same with the top and then a money shot. I topped the HD Speed with some Better Butter Wax. Goes on smooth and comes off pretty easy if you can keep it to thin layers. The thicker the application, the tougher it is to get off. Sorry, it was in the garage and approaching midnight so I wasn't able to get any daylight shots. He was blown away when he saw it. One of his customers was at the shop when I dropped it off. He didn't believe that it was his car...... The wheels had some nasty brown brake dust stains. I was in the garage so I had limited space, so I put some Pinnacle Advanced Wheel Cleaner on a microfiber towel and wiped the wheels, surprisingly, it worked really well. I should have put on some gloves, but I was in a rush. I was concerned that I might get some irritation but all was good. Washed my hands with soap and water, put on some lotion, not something that I normally do. No irritation, no burns. Normally, I would have sprayed it on the wheels and let it sit for a bit before cleaning with a brush and then rinsing off with clean water. I used Black Fire Eclipse Tire Gel that I got as a free sample with a Autogeek order. The stuff was great, time will tell, but for immediate looks, it worked really well. As a bonus ,it smells great. It goes on easy and looks terrific. Good luck.
Here is another experience with the Flex 3401 and HD Speed and the Rupes 21 and UHS pads and product. A buddy has a late 90s Mercedes E320. I don't think that he has ever washed it, really. The surface of the paint was so rough, it was like 80 grit sandpaper. He was doing a favor on my car so I thought that I would return the favor. I washed it, out in the street, I didn't want all of the crud from the car in my driveway. I then clayed it, twice, it was so rough. I pulled it into the garage and pulled out the Flex 3401 and the HS Speed, I really could have reached for the blue pads and product for my Rupes 21, but I had to work on it and night and it was already approaching 8 pm. I was blown away by the results, it turned out great. The were some small rust puckers on the hood, nothing but a repaint is going to fix those, but man, did it turn out nice. I did pull the Rupes and the UHS pad and product for a comparison, but the hood on the Mercedes had some curves that the Rupes just doesn't handle very well. It isn't technique, it is the machine. It is great on large flat or flatter surfaces, but it stalls out on the curves and on the side panels. I am sorry to say that but that is my experience. The Rupes is a great tool, well engineered and lighter than the Flex, but when time is a consideration, the Flex is my go to machine. I added a shot of the hood, with a before and after. It had been washed and clayed, half polished with HS Speed and half not, same with the top and then a money shot. I topped the HD Speed with some Better Butter Wax. Goes on smooth and comes off pretty easy if you can keep it to thin layers. The thicker the application, the tougher it is to get off. Sorry, it was in the garage and approaching midnight so I wasn't able to get any daylight shots. He was blown away when he saw it. One of his customers was at the shop when I dropped it off. He didn't believe that it was his car...... The wheels had some nasty brown brake dust stains. I was in the garage so I had limited space, so I put some Pinnacle Advanced Wheel Cleaner on a microfiber towel and wiped the wheels, surprisingly, it worked really well. I should have put on some gloves, but I was in a rush. I was concerned that I might get some irritation but all was good. Washed my hands with soap and water, put on some lotion, not something that I normally do. No irritation, no burns. Normally, I would have sprayed it on the wheels and let it sit for a bit before cleaning with a brush and then rinsing off with clean water. I used Black Fire Eclipse Tire Gel that I got as a free sample with a Autogeek order. The stuff was great, time will tell, but for immediate looks, it worked really well. As a bonus ,it smells great. It goes on easy and looks terrific. Good luck.
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Re: Flex 3401 and HD Speed vs. Rupes 21 and UHS, Pinnacle Advanced Wheel Cleaner and Black Fire Eclipse Tire Gel, Thumbs up all around
I have a Flex 3401 and got to use it for the first time on this Ram i did and i used HD Speed with a LC light cutting pad and results were amazing for what HD Speed is. It wasnt a 100% perfect finish by any means but it had the customer speechless so thats always good. I would like to eventually get a Rupes possibly but so far the Flex is doing great. I came from a Meguiars G110V2 though which i still use with 3 and 4 inch pads. There is a 50/50 shot (not the best angle) and the truck after buffing.
I have a Flex 3401 and got to use it for the first time on this Ram i did and i used HD Speed with a LC light cutting pad and results were amazing for what HD Speed is. It wasnt a 100% perfect finish by any means but it had the customer speechless so thats always good. I would like to eventually get a Rupes possibly but so far the Flex is doing great. I came from a Meguiars G110V2 though which i still use with 3 and 4 inch pads. There is a 50/50 shot (not the best angle) and the truck after buffing.
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don't own an mkii, but the flex will not stall on curves...
nice to hear your thoughts, no doubt it's a beast...
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Good thread, I'm experimenting with different products. I'll be trying hd cut followed by menzerna 3500.
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Re: Flex 3401 and HD Speed vs. Rupes 21 and UHS, Pinnacle Advanced Wheel Cleaner and Black Fire Eclipse Tire Gel, Thumbs up all around
Use a quality MF cutting pad and quality compound on a FLAT surface, with PROPER technique, a 21mm will out-cut the Flex 3401(any combo of pad/polish). However, I prefer to POWER through a detail, while still getting excellent performance = Flex 3401.
Use a quality MF cutting pad and quality compound on a FLAT surface, with PROPER technique, a 21mm will out-cut the Flex 3401(any combo of pad/polish). However, I prefer to POWER through a detail, while still getting excellent performance = Flex 3401.
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Agree 200%. I use a Flex 3401 and HD Speed as my go to product. It's so so easy to use and remove I can't see it getting any better.
I too control my arm speed and have found, depeding on the paint system/car of course, that I can power through corrections much much faster without having to do nearly as many full passes. Long working time and excellent polish compounds in Speed make it a Godsend.
Great job on the Honda! Speed loves Honda and Subaru Paints too. They are as soft as Speed is easy.