Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

VISITOR said:
judging by the video by makita it looked as though as it was doing just that, thanks for the honest feedback thus far...
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in forced, I still get walk on lower vertical panels.this could just be my technique though...
either way, i'll adjust ..it's a smooth machine whether it be a 5.5 Thin pro or an oversized/weight 6.5 Low pro

I hope to do some correction video compairsons this week. I Would like to see if it corrects better then my G21, like Rupes is claiming their Mille will do against their 21mm Mark2
 
nothingface5384 said:
in forced, I still get walk on lower vertical panels.this could just be my technique though...
either way, i'll adjust ..it's a smooth machine whether it be a 5.5 Thin pro or an oversized/weight 6.5 Low pro

I hope to do some correction video compairsons this week. I Would like to see if it corrects better then my G21, like Rupes is claiming their Mille will do against their 21mm Mark2
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to me it's not worth paying that much ($300+) if it's most effective in one mode and not so much in the other. buying it for that reason defeats the purpose of the machine. also, it doesn't come with different size backing plates like the flex does which allows you to use different size pads as well. i know many don't like the walking on the flex, but there are many who don't have issues with it either. look forward to your videos...
 
VISITOR said:
to me it's not worth paying that much ($300+) if it's most effective in one mode and not so much in the other. buying it for that reason defeats the purpose of the machine. also, it doesn't come with different size backing plates like the flex does which allows you to use different size pads as well. i know many don't like the walking on the flex, but there are many who don't have issues with it either. look forward to your videos...
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I simply purchased it to replace my 3401...if it does well at free spin..its a bonus..if it didnt, no loss
for videos, i'm shooting for wed
 
nothingface5384 said:
Get them both ;-)
I haven't did any comparisons between my PO5000c, 3401 or G21 yet...but so far found out PO5000c on speed 5 just jiggles and doesn't rotate...but speed 3-4 it has great rotation.
In forced mode it works great
.still not sure I like it better then my G21 but def love it compared to my 3401
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I just put a piece of tape on my Makita 5000 backing plate and ran it in forced rotation and free spin mode on speed 5 and it and it Rotated (orbit). Are you sure yours wasn't rotating on speed 5? Which mode was the tool in?

ScottH
 
ScottH said:
I just put a piece of tape on my Makita 5000 backing plate and ran it in forced rotation and free spin mode on speed 5 and it and it Rotated (orbit). Are you sure yours wasn't rotating on speed 5? Which mode was the tool in?

ScottH
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yes it was in free spin, I sharpied my backing place it clearly wasnt spining(just jiggle) in speed 5, i was on vertical flat fender section of a scion XB..bump down to speed 4 or 3 and rotated like a motha

in forced, it obviously rotates
 
Random orbit mode with the Makita is relatively worthless. The forced mode is great. Very smooth, but you need to use the correct pads.


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ScottH said:
Glad to hear yours spun on speed 5 as it sounded very odd that it would be designed otherwise. Check back in tomorrow after you test again.

ScottH
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yeah, ill try the scion fender again, and does your makita body get warm, mid section?
 
Buy this machine for the forced rotation. The random orbit mode is terrible. I was going to sell my GG 6" random orbital, but I'm going to keep it now.


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WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Buy this machine for the forced rotation. The random orbit mode is terrible. I was going to sell my GG 6" random orbital, but I'm going to keep it now.


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it seems like when a DA has less stroke, it stalls easier...GG3 good example , nano with 3mm essentric.. etc
 
nothingface5384 said:
yeah, ill try the scion fender again, and does your makita body get warm, mid section?
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I haven't used it to polish a car yet but running it for a few mins (free air) I didn't notice any warmth at all. But it had no load on it so I wouldn't expect it to get warm ...

ScottH
 
I've don't have 1/3 scion hood, small section of fender and a door..body got warm between tool rests. Front and rear grip uneffected.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Buy this machine for the forced rotation. The random orbit mode is terrible. I was going to sell my GG 6" random orbital, but I'm going to keep it now.
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i thought you already sold the GG6 when you bought the HF DA?
 
Ok guys so I conducted a rudimentary but effective test of random orbit mode of the Makita 5000 as it relates to pad stalling, on flat surfaces and curved. I started with an LC CCS pad on it with the 5000 in free rotation mode, speed setting at 2. While on the flat surface of my dryer, I started the polisher and the pad did not spin at all. Bumped it up to speed 3, and again the pad was stalling under ONLY it's own weight - I was applying no pressure at all. Bumped up to speed 4 and of course the pad started to spin, but not very fast at all - lifting the head of the polisher up the pad regained speed - but who's going to do that while polishing! Speed 5 the pad spun very quickly and on a flat surface was hard to bog down. Now I thought to try this same test on the curved 'panel' of the dryer - shown here in the picture. On speed 4 or less, there was very little if any pad rotation as I rode the corner, and it regained speed once on the vertical panel of the dryer. On speed 5 the pad did maintain rotation around the curve albeit slower than while on a flat surface.

In direct drive mode, the pad rotated regardless of speed setting, and was not possible to bog down whether on a flat surface or curved, but that is to be expected in a direct drive unit.

I understand this was not a 100% scientific test but it did second what WRAPT said above - I was extremely unimpressed with the unit in free spin mode - bogging down under its own weight unless it was run on speed 4 or higher, and at speed 4 there was very little pad rotation.

If you are buying this to use solely as a direct drive unit, it's got power. If you are planning to use it extensively in free spin mode, get a GG6, BOSS15/21, Rupes etc. Makita missed the mark by a MILE in free spin mode as far as pad rotation goes. I ran the same test with my GG6 and on speed 1 (flat surface), and the rotation under its own weight was what the Makita needed speed 4 to match pad rotation.

PS when I swapped the CCS out for a LC ThinPro, pad rotation was slightly better but no where near what the GG6 could muster in pad rotation.

Sorry I couldn't video this tonight - wife was in no mood to be bothered with my 'tests' tonight - I knew better than to ask. LOl!

ScottH
 
VISITOR said:
i thought you already sold the GG6 when you bought the HF DA?
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I still have an early 2nd generation GG DA that I recently fixed. The cord was bad and I finally got around to fixing it. It's better than the newer GG 6" and the HF DA.


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nothingface5384 said:
it seems like when a DA has less stroke, it stalls easier...GG3 good example , nano with 3mm essentric.. etc
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Don't have those to compare, but maybe it is the stroke length. Anyhow, while VERY smooth the Makita is in random orbit mode, it's stalls VERY easy.


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ScottH said:
If you are buying this to use solely as a direct drive unit, it's got power. If you are planning to use it extensively in free spin mode, get a GG6, BOSS15/21, Rupes etc. Makita missed the mark by a MILE in free spin mode as far as pad rotation goes.


ScottH
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Nailed it, Scott.

I haven't had a chance to test true correction ability in forced mode, but if Rupes claims the Mille will correct better than the Mark II 21, the Makita in forced mode should correct better than both the Mille and Mark II 21.

I'm really looking forward to trying the Mille pads and polishes on the Makita.

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On another note
When I tested rotation on test panel, I used dry 6.5 low pro
On Scion XB i used compound with both 6.5 low probably 5.5 thin pro
Rotation we're both excellent at 3 and 4 but nothing with 5.
I'll video it all
 
ScottH said:
Ok guys so I conducted a rudimentary but effective test of random orbit mode of the Makita 5000 as it relates to pad stalling, on flat surfaces and curved. I started with an LC CCS pad on it with the 5000 in free rotation mode, speed setting at 2. While on the flat surface of my dryer, I started the polisher and the pad did not spin at all. Bumped it up to speed 3, and again the pad was stalling under ONLY it's own weight - I was applying no pressure at all. Bumped up to speed 4 and of course the pad started to spin, but not very fast at all - lifting the head of the polisher up the pad regained speed - but who's going to do that while polishing! Speed 5 the pad spun very quickly and on a flat surface was hard to bog down. Now I thought to try this same test on the curved 'panel' of the dryer - shown here in the picture. On speed 4 or less, there was very little if any pad rotation as I rode the corner, and it regained speed once on the vertical panel of the dryer. On speed 5 the pad did maintain rotation around the curve albeit slower than while on a flat surface.

In direct drive mode, the pad rotated regardless of speed setting, and was not possible to bog down whether on a flat surface or curved, but that is to be expected in a direct drive unit.

I understand this was not a 100% scientific test but it did second what WRAPT said above - I was extremely unimpressed with the unit in free spin mode - bogging down under its own weight unless it was run on speed 4 or higher, and at speed 4 there was very little pad rotation.

If you are buying this to use solely as a direct drive unit, it's got power. If you are planning to use it extensively in free spin mode, get a GG6, BOSS15/21, Rupes etc. Makita missed the mark by a MILE in free spin mode as far as pad rotation goes. I ran the same test with my GG6 and on speed 1 (flat surface), and the rotation under its own weight was what the Makita needed speed 4 to match pad rotation.

PS when I swapped the CCS out for a LC ThinPro, pad rotation was slightly better but no where near what the GG6 could muster in pad rotation.

Sorry I couldn't video this tonight - wife was in no mood to be bothered with my 'tests' tonight - I knew better than to ask. LOl!

ScottH
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Mike Phillips - hi Mike, did you experience the same poor pad rotation in free spin mode during your initial review?

Thanks,
ScottH
 
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