Flex 3401 ??

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With the sale going on right now and with my tax refund I was thinking about picking up the Pink Flex 3401 with over $100 in freebies to add to my collection I currently have the HF DA , Rupes Mini , Griots G15
 
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What about a Rupes Nano? The Flex 3401 sounds like a good choice as well. I don't have either, they both seem to be forum favorites.
 
Sounds good to me... the flex can do moderate correction and wax and the G15 can do the major correction.
 
Sounds good to me... the flex can do moderate correction and wax and the G15 can do the major correction.
I picked up a Flex and a Rupes 15 around the holidays and have found myself using the Flex for initial heavy correction and the Rupes for final polishing...kinda like getting the heavy lifting/arduous work outta the way before getting to the more delicate and enjoyable refinement of polishing with the Rupes.

The Rupes with a Megs microfiber cutting disc and D300 is a pretty potent heavy correcting combo though.
 
HF DA with a MF cutting pad and quality compound will correct just as good or better than the 3401. Truth.


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But likely not as quickly...used to use cutting discs with my GG6 and D300 and have found a larger heavy cutting pad with M101 on the Flex does it in a lot less time 'cuz you can just hustle/muscle the Flex around, jamming the forced rotation pad into places that would stall a free spinning DA. I think this method takes a bit of toll on LC Force gray heavy cutting pads but the time savings is worth it to me.

Sometimes I think I could compound/polish a chain link fence with the Flex just because it just never stops. I'd likely feel like someone beat me with a board afterwards but my fence would be pretty shiney!
 
I thought about getting the 3401 to rotate with the GG6. In due time
 
I thought about getting the 3401 to rotate with the GG6. In due time
Once I got all the tools together, just naturally started mentally associating specific tasks to each machine:
GG6 is wax/sealant application
Rupes Mini is small areas like bumpers/vertical trunk areas/pillars
Flex for compounding
Rupes for polishing

Didn't plan it that way...just laid em all out on a table when starting a car and seemed to unknowingly reach for each one for different tasks.

I'm extremely lazy and using the GG6 for everything would slow me down just changing backing plates...cuz I'd get distracted, wander off and not return to the car for 15-20 minutes.

Self discipline is not a strong point so being able to just grab a tool and go saves me considerable time overall because I can remain a bit more attentive to the immediate task at hand. And I'd always misplace that wrench to swap backing plates resulting in another 5 to 10 minutes lost wandering around muttering obscenities at myself while trying to remember where I left the wrench.

"Know thyself..." and all that.
 
As for HF da. I have one. Its adequate and I could live with it if it was only polisher, but I find it rough running and noisy. I use it as my 3 inch polisher.
 
As for HF da. I have one. Its adequate and I could live with it if it was only polisher, but I find it rough running and noisy. I use it as my 3 inch polisher.
It does vibrate more than I'd like, but put a BnS uro fiber or LC MF cutting pad and quality compound on it and it can correct!!


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Sounds good to me... the flex can do moderate correction and wax and the G15 can do the major correction.

Wow. Have you ever actually used a Flex? Put a wool pad on it with some Chop Top.... Correction is easypeasy at that point
 
lol nope never tried it but he already have a long throw DA so why not rotate them...
 
I've had my flex for years. It's my personal favorite all around polisher. I've done everything from super hard gel coat on boats to the most finicky soft black Lexus paint. It cuts like a mofo, but can be trickier to finish down on softer paints due to the shorter throw than some of the long throw DAs out there. I've put countless hours on it with not a single hiccup.

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I've had my flex for years. It's my personal favorite all around polisher. I've done everything from super hard gel coat on boats to the most finicky soft black Lexus paint. It cuts like a mofo, but can be trickier to finish down on softer paints due to the shorter throw than some of the long throw DAs out there. I've put countless hours on it with not a single hiccup.

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It's not the shorter throw that makes it difficult to finish on soft paint, it's the forced rotation that causes issues.


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I'm glad I got the flex finally, it's such a work horse and is the strongest out of the other das imo,
that being said I have the gg6 along with g21 and those are for smaller areas and polishing or if a car does not need the big flex. Ultimately just get them all eventually
 
HF DA with a MF cutting pad and quality compound will correct just as good or better than the 3401. Truth.

I completely disagree with the above. The FLEX 3401 is BEAST! That's how I sign my FLEX how-to book. It's the only gear-driven orbital polisher on the market and my quote goes like this,



With a FLEX 3401 you can power through any detail job -Mike Phillips


You can't say that about any free spinning orbital because of the nature of their drive system in context with the shape of the panel you're buffing out.



Here's another quote of mine,


There's something to be said for speed -Mike Phillips



Here's two examples of what I've been able to do in 5.5 hours from start to finish. If I can do it... anyone can do it...

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3D HD Adapt and Poxy Review - 1940 Packard Streetrod detailed by Mike Phillips


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When I need to get a car buffed out fast I use the FLEX 3401. ALL of the other orbital will do the job... just not as fast when you take into account curved panels and tight areas.




Sounds good to me... the flex can do moderate correction and wax and the G15 can do the major correction.

Um.... that's not accurate. The FLEX 3401 can do MAJOR correction as can the G15 it's just the FLEX 3401 can do it faster to a wider spectrum of curved shaped body panels due to the gear-driven nature of the tool.



I picked up a Flex and a Rupes 15 around the holidays and have found myself using the Flex for initial heavy correction and the Rupes for final polishing...kinda like getting the heavy lifting/arduous work outta the way before getting to the more delicate and enjoyable refinement of polishing with the Rupes.

I think the above is a great combination. I also show this in my boat detailing classes, that is we follow the FLEX 3401 with the RUPES BigFoot 21 and we get a show car finish on a gel-coat boat.



lol nope never tried it but he already have a long throw DA so why not rotate them...

I don't understand? You've never used a FLEX 3401 and don't own one but previously you posted this?

Sounds good to me... the flex can do moderate correction and wax and the G15 can do the major correction.


I'm not purposefully trying to pick on you but it is important to me that this forum has ACCURATE information on it either by myself or our forum members.




It's not the shorter throw that makes it difficult to finish on soft paint, it's the forced rotation that causes issues.

I'd agree with you on this. Do you know where you learned this?


I know I shared this back in 2012 in this write-up for an old 2-door sports car I detailed...



Christmas Detail - Ferrari P4 - Move over Rudolf


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Here's post 31 in the above thread....

What made you decide to finish out with the GV110 vs the Flex?



Here's my answer in post 32



Mike Phillips said:
Good question...

I find on softer paints like this car has that the PC style with a Fine Cut Polish finishes out nicer than with the more powerful Flex 3401.



That question and answer section for the write-up was in 2013


And I still experience the same thing today on softer paints. That is a free spinning orbital polisher will tend to finish out nicer on softer paints than the gear-driven FLEX 3401 if all other factors are kept the same.


You can finish out show car flawless using the FLEX 3401, you just need to make sure you're using great abrasive technology, the right pad and of course, excellent technique.


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I'm glad I got the flex finally, it's such a work horse and is the strongest out of the other das imo,

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I agree. No agenda, nothing personal. Just a fact.


that being said I have the gg6 along with g21 and those are for smaller areas and polishing or if a car does not need the big flex.

Ultimately just get them all eventually


I agree.

If a person is going to detail cars either part time or full time they need more than ONE tool.

So start with one and then add more to your arsenal.


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