Fog-Fight Issues

[steeda]

I also have bought some fog-fight but havent used it yet. With all the poor reviews, i doubt i will even try it. This stuff is going right into the trash. I would rather have to deal with some fog every now and then rather than a haze all the time.

 

[alko]

I know not everything is perfect, but with the hazing that is left on the windshield, that can be a safety issue. We should have atleast had a heads up. You can't put a product out and then hope no one notices or says too much about the negative. You also can't rely on someone who does reviews to save the product. I know with any product, it goes through a refinement process and "new and improved" versions of the same product will come out. But the main issue, the biggest con, of Fog Fight, is the hazing thats left behind.

 

[BobbyG]

Hi
i know its little tricky to use and we are working to improve it.
in the meantime.. let it cure longer time on the surface. once its dry you can use more force with the mf wipe off, use terry cloth to remove. soft plushy mf wont be good for that.
so wiping off with more power while flipping the mf sides and wiping should help you to get best surface clean.
i hope cee dog will chime in to add his remark from his tests.

Hi Avi,

Occasionally this happens with new products.

Personally, I believe you're on to something with Fog Fight. With a bit more refinement geared toward the final wipe to ensure near perfect clarity, especially for the windshield, you'll have a winner for sure. rops:

I also tested it and wiped it pretty aggressively with a short pile microfiber towel 2 days later. While it "might" have gotten slightly better, see photos below. You can even see where I wiped my finger diagonally across.

The far right was cleaned with Stoner's Invisible Glass to show clarity after attempting to remove more residue.

 

[SRTSean]

Jeez. Those pics say it all. I'll give it a shot on a side mirror that's easy to clean up. Assuming at this point that it's headed to the trash.

 

[TS656577]

With all due respect Trent,I don't see where I was being harsh.If you read all my post on this thread ,I'm just stating the facts from my point of veiw.If it wasn't for us that are having problems,why would there be a revision/update with the product?
I am a big fan of CarPro products-Just NOT this one.

I'm not trying to start anything, and I actually didn't mean you. Your OP was well written and positive. In order to not start anything, I will refrain from naming names.

I understand FF isn't perfect, and CQuartz had issues, which were resolved. I have faith in Avi to get them fixed and perfected. I just know that if I were to release something and only saw "it's garbage, throw it away" or "it's a waste of money, we should get something in return", I'd be disheartened. Bobby, I loved your post. It was positive and still addressed your issues. I'm all for receiving criticism if it's done in the correct way. That's all I mean by my first post.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I don't know what you guys were expecting, this anti-fog kind of thing is what they sell in the snake-oil aisle at the car shows.

 

[CEE DOG]

I'm not trying to start anything, and I actually didn't mean you. Your OP was well written and positive. In order to not start anything, I will refrain from naming names.

I understand FF isn't perfect... I have faith in Avi to get them fixed and perfected. I just know that if I were to release something and only saw "it's garbage, throw it away" or "it's a waste of money, we should get something in return", I'd be disheartened. Bobby, I loved your post. It was positive and still addressed your issues. I'm all for receiving criticism if it's done in the correct way. That's all I mean by my first post.

I agree!! Well said. I think trash is harsh. Props to you Bobby for your constructive criticism. It works awesome on mirrors. When life gives you lemons.... I have decent results on my cars with it. Certainly no safety issue ime. Since i still have it on both cars! Obviously... I'm not sure quite what it is but I believe Carpro is treated a bit different than other companies sometimes. There is another company that is well respected by many people here in the US. I am one of their biggest fans. They had a product come out that was very faulty, cost twice as much as fog fight, and was useless for what it was claimed to be used for... Nobody said it was trash or they were throwing it away. They just said they would try to use it for something else. Anyway, not trying to argue. I didn't even read the comments before the one I quoted above. All I know is I've read a lot of very harsh comments in different threads towards CarPro that I don't believe would have been said in that way towards most companies... Just my .02$

I mean, I understand constructive criticism and even I want better clarity driving straight into the sun but my windshield look pretty good in most lighting. If I have an issue I try to say it in a constructive manner and if I am not satisfied with a product I ask for my money back. But 6-10$? It's barely worth the trouble.

 

[Dr Oldz]

If I have an issue I try to say it in a constructive manner and if I am not satisfied with a product I ask for my money back. But 6-10$? It's barely worth the trouble.

I agree with you here Corey but If someone purchased multiple amounts of the product then I would be upset personally. Just my .02.

 

[embolism]

wow that hazing looks terrible.

is it hard to remove or will stoners take it off?

I guess I'll be saving mine for my bathroom mirrors

 

[tw33k2514]

I agree with you here Corey but If someone purchased multiple amounts of the product then I would be upset personally. Just my .02.

The people who bought a bunch of it took a risk. I wouldn't personally purchase a bunch of something so un-proven. At the same time, I get that CarPro stuff is usually top notch. So I see why some people may have jumped the gun with quantities.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Cquartz had TERRIBLE water spotting issues when it first came out, and it had to be fixed.

I eluded to this in an earlier post. Now, Fog fight is having major issues. This type of stuff is inexcusable for "top notch" products.

 

[TS656577]

The people who bought a bunch of it took a risk. I wouldn't personally purchase a bunch of something so un-proven. At the same time, I get that CarPro stuff is usually top notch. So I see why some people may have jumped the gun with quantities.

Correct. Everyone knows that CarPro puts out good products. Why would they think FF is any different? Give Avi some time. Plus, I'm sure he will rectify any inconveniences that have occurred

 

[FUNX650]

Avi, you sure probably do more R&D before releasing a product. You shouldn't have to improve it while it's already on the market.

^^^^^^^:iagree:^^^^^^^

The costs associated with membership into the ASTM is quite reasonable.

One way a consumer-products company can avoid the costs, and compliance, of ASTM testing standards, it seems, is to have end-users do the testing for them.
Could there be an easier (less expensive) way for a company to reformulate/improve consumer products than to 'listen' to customers' complaints via internet forums...And then...
Without having to perform, or meet, any ASTM testing protocols...Just tell a Chemist to do some tweeking...And if that doesn't soothe the savages...Not to worry: We'll just tweek it some more.

I never did like being the guinea pig, especially when valuable assets are in play.

Also, I've wondered, why would it be unreasonable for companies, at their cost, to set up some testing labs other than in equatorial regions?

I think a refund of the purchase price is in order from Car Pro considering that they admitt to there being an issue. JMO tho.

That was also my thinking with the first version of Cquartz...Avi said: No.
I even proposed a prorated schedule. Again, NO was the answer.
Perhaps other folks will hear a more positive response for this current issue.



Bob

 

[Flannigan]

Correct. Everyone knows that CarPro puts out good products. Why would they think FF is any different? Give Avi some time. Plus, I'm sure he will rectify any inconveniences that have occurred

Just because you think this, doesn't mean everybody does. I happen to believe that Carpro only has one product that is worth buying at this point. Not to mention dealing with the condescending spokesperson, Avi....no thanks. I'm out.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

The costs associated with membership into the ASTM is quite reasonable.

Ha ha, ASTM. Do you know how long it would take just to staff the committee for anti-fog products...much less establish a standard? Not to mention I don't think there are currently any standards for car appearance products, not that I looked.

Just because you think this, doesn't mean everybody does. I happen to believe that Carpro only has one product that is worth buying at this point. Not to mention dealing with the condescending spokesperson, Avi....no thanks. I'm out.

It seems to me that you have some level of recourse through Autogeek. Since Autogeek is a manufacturer, as well as one of the largest online detailing products suppliers, they would logically have some capability/responsibility to ensure the products they distribute meet some standard of performance/safety. I guess what I'm saying is you don't have to deal with Avi, if people have complaints about products they bought at AG, the first stop is AG.

 

[FUNX650]

Ha ha, ASTM. Do you know how long it would take just to staff the committee for anti-fog products...much less establish a standard? Not to mention I don't think there are currently any standards for car appearance products, not that I looked.

Ha ha....You should have looked.

My point still is:
Consumer-products companies are using end-users...including beta-testers...for their testing protocols...thereby skirting around the costs associated with meeting established ASTM protocol standards not only for the USA, but for the International ASTM protocol standards as well.

Irregardless, I would still loathe being used: guinea pig fashion...by any company to increase their bottom-line...

Bob

 

[Meghan]

I am going to close this thread, as it is not going anywhere productive. AG stands behind CarPro and their products if you have issues with them please contact me directly and I will make sure you are taken care of, thank you.