I'm not picking on this gentleman. He claimed he was picking up the ability to determine if a wax was good or not just by looking at it in the jar. I was simply testing him. Who knows, he may be on to something?
Fuzion or Souveran on Dark Metallics?
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I'm not picking on this gentleman. He claimed he was picking up the ability to determine if a wax was good or not just by looking at it in the jar. I was simply testing him. Who knows, he may be on to something?
Dubbin1
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Same here, just a test.
Spicy McHaggis
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No worries, I was talking more about Duh..duh...duh...duh...DEE WOW!!! :buffing:Im the MAN:buffing:Im the MAN
In all seriousness though. I know that you can't tell a difference in LSP on a car or in a jar. But the human mind has a way of playing tricks on you. Especially when it knows you paid alot of money for a wax. In your head that wax is going to look 100 times better than a cheaper wax, in reality there is littler or no difference. Just my .02
Blackthorn One
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I like the look of Swissvax Mystery on a car quite a bit. I would use it if I could afford it. I still think that some of the very top skin of the wax in the container is dried out, which is what I meant. I know than when you wipe the wax, it will be perfectly fine under that dried surface.
Back on topic though, that pic of the Vette that was posted earlier really looks rich with Souveran on it.
agpatel
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The bottom line is dye in the wax should not and will not make a differance over...we are talking about a wax film layer that is in the sub micron level...any wax is going to be transparent as that layer thickness...simple experiment....(cue the bill nney the science guy music...now)
Take a piece of red construction paper...hold it to a light....can you see though or see the light....yes? ok that is like a very thick layer of wax stil see though.....now in a pot you have a ream of paper s light wont be seen...in the sub micron level of a wax film the pigments dont even make a difference...and if so minuscule amounts compared to the overall surface prep.
Why does Zymol have a "white" blue and red version of Royale? Different formulations so you can tell the difference....SV Divine is not white yet brownish color, SV BoS one of the better raited SV wax's and wax in that price range buy our friends in the UK is that apple sauce color.
Trying to judge wax's by color and hardness will not tell much...i can make a super soft oily wax that looks like crap easily by mixing little bit of nuba with lots of oils that will smear and create a oily surface...or on the other hand higher nuba contents tend to have harder wax's and thus need some work to get going and become "semi-fluids".
Also the one reason you do see many higher end wax's with "natural" or white colors is because it gives the perception of pureness which is what white stands for and gives off that emotion. This just comes down to marketing of a wax. Wax naturally is a yellow color no matter what people say about pure white nuba...it is all yellow unless someone bleaches it white and then you have actually lowered the grade and changed its chemical function...so technically yellow is the purist and highest form of nuba you can get. I have researched making my own nuba wax and have found this through basic research...but just keep that in mind...if you want a pure wax it will be yellow anything elese has been dyed or bleached and will not really matter.
I am not trying to knock anyone down but just thought some things should be said and also that end of the day use what you like and lsp will not make a large difference over the condition of paint.
Side, I do have a solid red car and find that most wax's will make it bright and highly reflective (this not right after it has been polished)...I have not dealt with metallic reds before but I would go with Fuzion, reason being....it last longer and does not last only a week or two. Which IMO makes it impractical for a DD or even a semi-DD.[Hiding before the Souveran fans kill me ekkkk!]
Take a piece of red construction paper...hold it to a light....can you see though or see the light....yes? ok that is like a very thick layer of wax stil see though.....now in a pot you have a ream of paper s light wont be seen...in the sub micron level of a wax film the pigments dont even make a difference...and if so minuscule amounts compared to the overall surface prep.
Why does Zymol have a "white" blue and red version of Royale? Different formulations so you can tell the difference....SV Divine is not white yet brownish color, SV BoS one of the better raited SV wax's and wax in that price range buy our friends in the UK is that apple sauce color.
Trying to judge wax's by color and hardness will not tell much...i can make a super soft oily wax that looks like crap easily by mixing little bit of nuba with lots of oils that will smear and create a oily surface...or on the other hand higher nuba contents tend to have harder wax's and thus need some work to get going and become "semi-fluids".
Also the one reason you do see many higher end wax's with "natural" or white colors is because it gives the perception of pureness which is what white stands for and gives off that emotion. This just comes down to marketing of a wax. Wax naturally is a yellow color no matter what people say about pure white nuba...it is all yellow unless someone bleaches it white and then you have actually lowered the grade and changed its chemical function...so technically yellow is the purist and highest form of nuba you can get. I have researched making my own nuba wax and have found this through basic research...but just keep that in mind...if you want a pure wax it will be yellow anything elese has been dyed or bleached and will not really matter.
I am not trying to knock anyone down but just thought some things should be said and also that end of the day use what you like and lsp will not make a large difference over the condition of paint.
Side, I do have a solid red car and find that most wax's will make it bright and highly reflective (this not right after it has been polished)...I have not dealt with metallic reds before but I would go with Fuzion, reason being....it last longer and does not last only a week or two. Which IMO makes it impractical for a DD or even a semi-DD.[Hiding before the Souveran fans kill me ekkkk!]
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Using a color charged or dyed wax will change the color of the car, which Dodo Juice demonstrated by putting their blue velvet wax on red paint. You could see the side by side difference in the color between the waxed and non waxed side. Also, I have used Natty's red on black, and it definitely changed the color of the car, which really made it pop. It was great. Even if dye in wax was completely transparent like colored lenses on sunglasses, it would still reduce the light transmitted, just like sun-glass lenses do. I realize that the difference is subtle, but so is almost any difference between one lsp and another.
WRAPT C5Z06
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Over saturate their waxes with what?
agpatel
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Dye, reason some stain pads and you get that color charging as they call it....also why the fax colors are vivid and bright on pot. Decent stuff imo.
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So you don't think dodo juice wax makes "good" waxes overall, just decent?
agpatel
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I think they are good for there class range which is the middle ground..not low and not high end...i have not used SN but have used Banana Armor, Austen and both are perty good for the groupd they are in...I do like Austin better due to better beading/sheeting properties and both looks good over some of the other ddj wax's.
I like ddj as a company as they are not conservative and thus come up sith some off the wall stuff like the tarmolade (sp), and some of there other stuff is is great. Wish we could get the full line of ddj products in the states but that is not on topic now eh ha.
I like ddj as a company as they are not conservative and thus come up sith some off the wall stuff like the tarmolade (sp), and some of there other stuff is is great. Wish we could get the full line of ddj products in the states but that is not on topic now eh ha.
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James K
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nice theory.
I guess I should return this pot of junk than ?
I would. Quick. Being the nice guy that I am I will gladly pay the shipping for you to return it. Of course I will have to have it shipped here first though.
yeah, not sure, its my first pot of concorso. the order just came to the vendor from SV. I got this and GLACIER.
The concorso smells like pink grapefruit. I think its an updated formula (not sure, but I know SV had been updating there line lately). and I agree, the new jars are going to be more difficult to use a foam applicator in. I will just have to pull the wax out one way and wear a slight slope out of the jar.
The new jar's do seal incredibly well though.
(sorry for the blurry pic)