GG 6", Megs G110v2, or Flex 3401

07 z-oh-6 said:
I'm just saying with the KB method, from what I understand, there are certain factors/combinations that make it unique. :)
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And in my post above I agree that at least portions of it have merit.

I just took some pictures of a similar technique I use with the rotary buffer when working around edges and tight areas, I'll post them after I remove all the sanding marks out of the Elky.


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kb2ehj said:
Mike,

Do copies still exist of the DVD you made using the PC? or was it a combo set with the rotary polisher video which if I'm reading your past post correctly you say never went into production.


Mark
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Only the PC video made it to production and retail sales. The Rotary Buffer DVD never made it to market and they were never sold as a combo.

Last time I checked, you can still order it from various places like CostalTools.com
In their search box just type in, DVD

They also include a link back to the AutogeekOnline.com discussion forum.


Now that I no longer work for Meguiar's it's theoretically possible the Rotary Buffer DVD could be manufactured and sold, if nothing else it would be fun to see myself 4 years younger. Richard Lin has the Glass Master.


It should be noted, I don't make a dime off the sales of the PC DVD so I have no vested interest in promoting it except that Richard Lin is still a good friend of mine.

:)
 
I got PMs from a couple people regarding the KB method. Thanks to all of you. I have not had a chance to read about it and study it. I am hoping to slow down a little by this weekend and get a chance to read up on it.

IT sounds very similar to the techniques Griots was teaching with the PC when I bought it from them years ago. I went to a couple of their "tech sessions" which I assume are like "Detail Fest." Their polish bottles are even designed with a cap on them to use to spread the polish around on the pad without getting it on your fingers. The last guy I worked with in a tech session told me he like to "almost stop" the pad. If any of you have been reading my "smoked a pad" thread, you would see that the pads would never tolerate that with my new GG ROP.

The differing opinions are mind-boggling. Even within companies. I have had AG staff and or videos tell me everything from "let the weight of the machine do it" to "15-20 lbs pressure" to "15-25lbs pressure"

I guess it boils down to experiment, experiment, do another test spot and experiment again. Glad I have my old truck to practice on so I don't make these early mistakes on my Mustang.

Sorry to hijack your thread. Back to the duscussion at hand.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Last time I checked, you can still order it from various places like CostalTools.com
In their search box just type in, DVD

They also include a link back to the AutogeekOnline.com discussion forum.


Now that I no longer work for Meguiar's it's theoretically possible the Rotary Buffer DVD could be manufactured and sold, if nothing else it would be fun to see myself 4 years younger. Richard Lin has the Glass Master.


It should be noted, I don't make a dime off the sales of the PC DVD so I have no vested interest in promoting it except that Richard Lin is still a good friend of mine.

:)
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Thanks for the link. I have it bookmarked and next pay period might just be making a purchase. LOL

To bad you don't get at least a little something in the wallet for it.

Have you (& AG) thought about doing another updated version of these two video's? I suspect they would sell reasonable well over here.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
It's the trend on detailing discussion forums to over-complicate things that are very simple.
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I just wanted to quote this since I find it so VERY TRUE. I've been guilty of it as well in the past, but now days I'm all about simplifying the process. The KB method is a great example of over-complicating the process (although I've not read the long-winded "paper" that explains it all).

Thanks for the great info Mike!
 
Thanks everyone of your suggestions and helpful guidance. I finally placed my order today for the Flex with Autogeek!

After leaning towards the Griots, I changed my mind at the last second. I was really intrigued by the KBM method, but it seemed to be overly complicated for a novice like myself. I have also read that there could be dusting issues with the KBM method and the m105/205 combo.

I calculated the difference in price with the Griots, all the accessories, and the m105/205 combo and the difference was ~70 dollars compared to the Flex with all the accessories and without the m105/205. This also allows me to use my SIP/Nano combo I bought a while back but havent had the chance to use.

I should be getting everything by next weekend, just in time for spring break! I hope the Flex with the SIP/Nano combo will be able to tackle all the swirls on my car :xyxthumbs:.

Tuan
 
The Flex is an awesome machine, good choice!

What kind of car and what color is it? :)
 
tuan209 said:
I have a dark gray Acura tsx. I hope I have the right products for the soft paint.
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Start of with nano/white pad, see if that does the trick. With Menzerna, you must make sure all the abrasives have broken down. People will say wait until the polish turns clear, but Kevin Brown told me that's inaccurate.

I really like Meguiars SMAT products(105, Ultimate Compound, ScratchX 2.0, SwirlX, 205) because you don't have to break the abrasives down. You can find Ultimate Compound, ScrtachX 2.0, and SwirlX at your local auto parts store.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
People will say wait until the polish turns clear, but Kevin Brown told me that's inaccurate.
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What is accurate? That is something I am struggling with. The only thing I have to go on is the turning clear. What other indicator is there?
 
5.4 Shelby said:
What is accurate? That is something I am struggling with. The only thing I have to go on is the turning clear. What other indicator is there?
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I really don't know to be honest. Turning clear could be accurate, but it's a very broad statement. This is why I use Meguiars SMAT products, it takes the guesswork out of polishing. However, if you really know what you're doing, Menzerna polishes can finish out very nicely.
 
The stats on paper of the GG ROP are actually VERY good. Larger, more powerful motor than the Flex, which means it can spin the pad at a higher MAX OPM. Also, it has the same orbit stroke length(8mm) as the Flex. Pretty impressive if you ask me. However, the lack of power of the Flex vs. the Griot's, the Flex forced rotation really makes up for it!
 
Yeah, I have already decided to order the M105/205 polishes. They have been sitting in my cart for a few days. I just gotta wwait for the Mrs. to forget I just spent about $450 already this month.

I have not used the Flex nor the Megs, but, that new GG I bought is a beast compared to my old PC. Night and day difference. I am hoping to spend some time Sunday getting to know it better.
 
5.4 Shelby said:
Yeah, I have already decided to order the M105/205 polishes. They have been sitting in my cart for a few days. I just gotta wwait for the Mrs. to forget I just spent about $450 already this month.

I have not used the Flex nor the Megs, but, that new GG I bought is a beast compared to my old PC. Night and day difference. I am hoping to spend some time Sunday getting to know it better.
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If I were you, I'd go pick up some meguiars ultimate compound from your local auto parts store. It's derived from 105, just a little less cut, but still stronger than most polishes out there. It's also much easier to use than 105, and it's only 8 bucks! UC uses the new super micro abrasive technology that M105 uses. SwirlX would be comparable to M205 as far as finishing after M105. It also utilizes the new technology as well, and it's only 8 bucks! You can get nearly the same results with UC/SwirlX as you can with M105/M205, especially since youre using a DA.
 
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07 z-oh-6 said:
If I were you, I'd go pick up some meguiars ultimate compound from your local auto parts store. It's derived from 105, just a little less cut, but still stronger than most polishes out there. It's also much easier to use than 105, and it's only 8 bucks! UC uses the new super micro abrasive technology that M105 uses. SwirlX would be comparable to M205 as far as finishing after M105. It also utilizes the new technology as well, and it's only 8 bucks! You can get nearly the same results with UC/SwirlX as you can with M105/M205, especially since youre using a DA.
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Are both UC/SwirlX using non-diminishing abrasives?
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
The stats on paper of the GG ROP are actually VERY good. Larger, more powerful motor than the Flex, which means it can spin the pad at a higher MAX OPM.
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Maybe I misunderstand but I think the Flex has a higher max OPM.

I think the Flex range is: 3,200 - 9,600
and the Griots range is only 2,500 - 6,800
 
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CEE DOG said:
Maybe I misunderstand but I think the Flex has a higher max OPM.

I think the Flex range is: 3,200 - 9,600
and the Griots range is only 2,500 - 6,800
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That was what I thought initially, but coming from a VERY reliable source, that is mis-information. The correct OPM's are as follows:

Flex XC 3401 VRG

Polisher Settings:
1: 160 RPM, 1600 OPM
2: 200 RPM, 2000 OPM
3: 270 RPM, 2700 OPM
4: 330 RPM, 3300 OPM
5: 400 RPM, 4000 OPM
6: 480 RPM, 4800 OPM

When I first got my Flex, on the highest setting, I said to myself, the pad doesn't spin nearly as fast as the Griot's. I specifically remember that, and I didn't know any of this information.
 
Also, if you look on your Flex, you see a label with the highest setting @ 480. That's the RPM's, and that equates to 4800 OPM's. :xyxthumbs:
 
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