Guys talking Towels - Bulk or One Off - Good Bad or Ugly

I just wanted to touch on the 470 vs 500gsm towels. I have both and weighed them both and found the results surprising.
The 72g towel is the rag place....

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Dat iz veeeeeweeee intawesting.

So what you are saying is that the 470 edgeless from Microfiber Tech actually weighs in heavier than the 500 from da junkmans favorite place The Rag Company.

That really is substantial news.

I only recently got a *free* copy of that orange 500 from rmd. I'll weigh mine now and see what's up. And to be fair I'll weigh a 470 that has been used and washed since last year.

I know (imho) even if the Rag Co unit was a smidgen heavier..... it surely isn't worth the extra 50%~100% cost.

Now where did I put my old postal scale.... :)




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I like the cheap ones you get at Sam's Club in the big plastic bag. Quantity beats quality. No doubt all these high dollar towels of which you speak are better, but not if you have to economize by buying fewer towels.

Note: I do the "Garry Dean" wash method by which you use towel after towel, so its an issue for me. For guys who do something different and just need something to buff off the wax, its different.
 
Yep, I weighed them for someone to compare. I used the same rubber band fir each towel and made sure no part of the towel touched the table. I also weighed them several times, same results.

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Those towels junkman are referring to are also sold by Autoality for a very good price. Looks like he's out of stock now though.
 
Yep brother, I have more MF than I need (by a LONG shot) but NOT NEAR what I want!!!!!! :eek: Hopefully once we swap around enough "FREE" towels we'll be that much closer to "Microfiber Nirvana". ;)
HAH! That could be the name of a website! :laughing:

Re: Junkman.....
O no you de-eent. :laughing: Not touching that one. I know, you know, and most everyone I can think of knows that "China" is NOT what causes towels to be "grabby". As you said; "nuff said".

Here I was, and based on the people that contacted me were/was/is thinking that we were ALL LEARNING something and at the very least TRYING TO at least keep up to date with the latest and greatest of "all things microfiber".

Strangely enough.... our discussion just disappeared! DISAPPEARED!!!
:dunno: Poof!!!

I'm no stranger to the forum world, not by a long shot. So imagine my surprise when people start asking ME (of all people) if *I*got upset or even worse.... *angry* and closed the thread! Say WHAT? !?!?! :rolleyes:

Cardaddy likes EVERYBODY!
Here I was thinking we had some really good thoughts kicking around. But whadda I know?!?! :rolleyes:

You mentioned an individual that may have had a dog in the fight, (because of allegiance with a certain provider). But honestly.... short of a rocky start with him I managed to correct any misconceptions (refused to respond to/or get involved in personality conflicts) and then we moved along splendidly. :) Things were shiny, bright and slick as a fresh coating on a sunny day. :D

So yeah... several guys were blindsided by the sudden loss of that one. :dunno:

It is important that we share our experiences with providers both good and bad. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. We are ALL constantly doing a never ending "beta test" on products. This thread however (Including the now missing one) just happens to be about microfiber towels. (And of course we would discuss where we've found them, good,, bad and ugly!)

Sometimes the best sellers/providers out there end up with a product that just doesn't work. (For instance: "Shaggy Dog's") Better finding that information out here in an open discussion than after wasting your hard earned dollars only to find out later. Can I get an amen? ;)

So with that, I implore EVERY - ONE - OUT - THERE to contribute, to share what you know, to know what you share. Prices are one thing where people get bent out of shape. As long as we are cognizant and remember NO LINKS to product pages we can still help one another to find, enjoy and most importantly NOT TO OVER PAY FOR QUALITY microfiber towels.

I had a mentor tell me decades ago when I started polishing paint in the 70's. "One thing to always remember; Good things are not cheap, and cheap things are not good. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ACT LIKE A FOOL AND BUY THE HIGHEST PRICED THING ON THE SHELF!"
He got me hooked on Meguiar's as a teenager (and I never regretted it).

These days Meguiar's is but part of the equation. We have THOUSANDS of choices. But JUST AS HE SAID all those years ago, you have to look for the BEST thing for your needs.

Faced with the choices we have these days, who knows how he would react, I surely don't.

Bottom line guys, share what you know. If that little tidbit helps the next guy, then you had a winning day. :D
What scares me however is when OUR VOICES ARE SILENCED. (As other members made me aware of late.)
Then......
NO-BODY wins!!!!!!!!


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Way cool thread!! I agree knowledge is power sharing experience good or bad just helps us all get better at detailing!! :iagree:
 
I use a Wizards water bandit, it is by the far the best drying tool I've ever bought it doesn't marr the paint (if used properly) but its a chamois you don't allow to dry its wet you buy it actually. As far as MF towels, the softer the better.. and I would actually use the softer side to remove product, application should be more aggresive than removal, so softer the better when it comes to product removal. Interior towels are all junk in my eyes being a michigander Ive run into MANY sandboxes and just plain nasty landfills. Always microfiber :) after all it is the new millenia, you'd think wed have mastered towels by now hah
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I just love these long discussions about MF towels. Soon you guys may see me on an episode of horders because of my addiction to MF towels. Cardaddy, there has got to be help for us. LOL

BTW: did you see the Junkman video on MF. Now you know where to go. Nuff said.

And may I add they are great................
 
I use a Wizards water bandit, it is by the far the best drying tool I've ever bought it doesn't marr the paint (if used properly) but its a chamois you don't allow to dry its wet you buy it actually. As far as MF towels, the softer the better.. and I would actually use the softer side to remove product, application should be more aggresive than removal, so softer the better when it comes to product removal. Interior towels are all junk in my eyes being a michigander Ive run into MANY sandboxes and just plain nasty landfills. Always microfiber :) after all it is the new millenia, you'd think wed have mastered towels by now hah
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I actually got a new 'shammy' from Microfiber Tech with my last order. It's fashioned as would be a natural chamois, even in retail packaging. But it's 100% microfiber. They sent it for me to test and give feedback on.

I know in the past I've seen them in some sort of foam configuration. I've not tried this one yet but it'll likely be as good as any other synthetic 'shammy'.

They also sent me a 400 gsm velvet feeling, really stretchy unit. I'm not sure WHAT to use it on! :dunno: That and a REALLY nice 400 gsm ultra fine thread that's built like the 360's and 530's. It's marketed to the "soft paint crowd". ;) I keep wanting to order some, just to have them.

Then again..... BOY do I have a lot of different towels sitting around here these days. :laughing: Good thing though as a customer called just this afternoon, (the black Camry from the Show & Shine thread) and sent his wife over to buy a bunch so that he could wash and dry the car. (He hasn't touched it since it left here, didn't want it to get scratched.) :laughing:

Where we are vindicated is when not the husband, but the WIFE shows up (wanting to buy towels) and says, "You know, I never noticed it before, and thought my car was fine. But once I had my car detailed LIKE YOU DID IT. I now look at cars everywhere and think they need YOU TO DO THEIRS TOO!"
Im the MAN


She then said she wasn't going to let ANYTHING touch her car but towels that I recommend. Her husband wanted to buy my grit guards today as well! :laughing:
 
I actually got a new 'shammy' from Microfiber Tech with my last order. It's fashioned as would be a natural chamois, even in retail packaging. But it's 100% microfiber. They sent it for me to test and give feedback on.

I know in the past I've seen them in some sort of foam configuration. I've not tried this one yet but it'll likely be as good as any other synthetic 'shammy'.

They also sent me a 400 gsm velvet feeling, really stretchy unit. I'm not sure WHAT to use it on! :dunno: That and a REALLY nice 400 gsm ultra fine thread that's built like the 360's and 530's. It's marketed to the "soft paint crowd". ;) I keep wanting to order some, just to have them.

Then again..... BOY do I have a lot of different towels sitting around here these days. :laughing: Good thing though as a customer called just this afternoon, (the black Camry from the Show & Shine thread) and sent his wife over to buy a bunch so that he could wash and dry the car. (He hasn't touched it since it left here, didn't want it to get scratched.) :laughing:

Where we are vindicated is when not the husband, but the WIFE shows up (wanting to buy towels) and says, "You know, I never noticed it before, and thought my car was fine. But once I had my car detailed LIKE YOU DID IT. I now look at cars everywhere and think they need YOU TO DO THEIRS TOO!"
Im the MAN


She then said she wasn't going to let ANYTHING touch her car but towels that I recommend. Her husband wanted to buy my grit guards today as well! :laughing:

Did you sell the grit guards? I would have.LMAO!

Now onto the subject of drying towels Cobra guzzlers are really thirsty......I have several but my favorite drying towel is Mohers waffle weave drying towel.....it really sucks....




It up!
 
Some of my favorite towels are the purple 600s, crazy piles, and dry me crazy. These towels all do not leave lint, which is a huge plus for me. The cost is not exactly the most economical, but it's fine for my one car weekend warrior needs.

The purple 600s have been great for almost everything, especially rinseless washes. The crazy piles are my favorite for final wipe downs, spray wax/qd, and wax removal. They are my favorite towels overall but are definitely pricey. The dry me crazy towel is a wonderful drying towel, as well as the wave rider waffle.
 
I like the cheap ones you get at Sam's Club in the big plastic bag. Quantity beats quality. No doubt all these high dollar towels of which you speak are better, but not if you have to economize by buying fewer towels.

Note: I do the "Garry Dean" wash method by which you use towel after towel, so its an issue for me. For guys who do something different and just need something to buff off the wax, its different.

Dude, if you're happy with those towels, then by all means, keep truckin' brotha!

Unfortunately for me, they scratch the crap out of my paint.
 
I just wanted to touch on the 470 vs 500gsm towels. I have both and weighed them both and found the results surprising.
The 72g towel is the rag place....

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Wow. Looks like the 500s are coming up about 10g short and the 470s about 2g short.

Assuming I calculated GSM correctly and the towels are actually exactly 16x16
 
True.

I'd rather have a towel that works safely on soft clear because then I know it'll work great on every other car.

Dude, if you're happy with those towels, then by all means, keep truckin' brotha!

Unfortunately for me, they scratch the crap out of my paint.
 
Wow. Looks like the 500s are coming up about 10g short and the 470s about 2g short.

Assuming I calculated GSM correctly and the towels are actually exactly 16x16

I was hoping someone could do the math!

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I like the cheap ones you get at Sam's Club in the big plastic bag. Quantity beats quality. No doubt all these high dollar towels of which
you speak are better, but not if you have to economize by buying fewer towels.
Note: I do the "Garry Dean" wash method by which you use towel after towel, so its an issue for me. For guys who do something different and just need something to buff
off the wax, its different.

If you like Sam’s Club then you need to try the Costco Kirkland gold towel. I’ve personally not seen the ones from Sam’s Club, but I’ve seen everything from Walmart and I’m not a fan. The Kirkland gold’s have dual nap, close to 350~360 gsm and with hard paint they’ll do OK. But those darned sewn edges are something it takes great care to use!

Thing is, if you go to a bulk supplier of better quality microfiber then you can afford to buy quality towels.

QUALITY will ALWAYS WIN over quantity! Always.

Did you sell the grit guards? I would have.LMAO!
Now onto the subject of drying towels Cobra guzzlers are really thirsty......I have several but my favorite drying towel is Mohers waffle weave drying towel.....it
really sucks....
It up!

I thought about selling him a couple of my grit guards for sure. But AG has gone to this crazy $150 free shipping point which would end up costing me more than I could
have sold them for.

When I had him on the phone I did a quick Google search and there was a site that popped up with really cheap grit guards. I’ve seen it before, Dr. B’s. Never bought
from them though. Figured they’d make up for the pricing with some insane shipping costs (but checked just now and it’s only $7.95, not bad. ;)

I have 3 of those Cobra foam core guzzlers, thirsty they be Obi-wan . When using waffle weaves though I’ve found I like thinner ones, and Microfiber Tech has some
Korean waffle weave units that are nice. :) For that matter their little 300 gsm waffle weave is VERY affordable (by the case) and a perfect rinseless towel.

I was hoping someone could do the math!
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Math you say? :eek: So I was reading this thing and that got me to thinking. Somewhere in the shop there is an old set of triple beams that I used to weigh gold jewelry
and gunpowder with. It’s been YEARS since I’ve used them, but after some searching I found the little suckers. Grabbed up a bunch of coins and calibrated them. Got the
1~10 dead on, then the 10~100. After that the 100 and up is good to go.

So this is what I came up with after over an hour of weighing towels and doing
conversions. There are some VERY INTERESTING results! :D

First off I started with Microfiber Tech 360’s. They sell them as 360’s but if you look at the product ID number it starts with 365. They do this with all their towels,
and those first numbers are more indicative of the ‘real’ GSM. I’m going to throw out several data sets, the towel ID, the weight of that towel, the (converted) weight
of a square meter.

MFT-Gold dual-nap 360 60.10 363.8874 Both of these have been washed
MFT-Black dual-nap 360 61.40 371.7585 Unused - washed
CG-Gold dual-nap 360 68.30 413.5359 (Sewn in tags, tags attached UNWASHED)
MFT-velvet shortnap 400 64.05 387.8035 New unused - washed
MFT-DkBlu dual-nap 400 68.50 414.6863 Ultra fine thread tightly packed same construction as the 360’s
MFT-yellow dual-nap 400 68.90 417.1668 Towel from last year - Normal thread same as in the 360’s
MFT-LtBlu dual-nap 530 87.50 529.7862 These I stated last year I prefer over the Cobra 530’s, still do.
Cobra-530 dual-nap 530 84.80 513.4385 The Cobra seems to have longer ‘loops’, but isn’t as dense as the Microfiber Tech towel.
MFT Duo-plush 600 97.90 592.7550 This batch is from last year
MFT Duo-plush 700 114.90 695.6849 This is a new towel, has been washed
MFT ShaggyDog 360 63.00 381.4460 Used half a dozen times – Freebie from “rmd”

Now for the GOOD STUFF - Like you all showed up just for the cheap stuff. :laughing:
MFT Korean 460 75.7 458.3407 LAST YEAR’S VERSION – Edgeless – Sold as a 460
MFT Korean 470 84.6 512.2275 Edgeless -While sold as a 470 this is CLEARLY a much heavier towel!
TheRag Co Korean 500 79.30 482.5595 Edgeless - Another FREEBIE provided by “rmd”

Clearly when comparing the last three towels, all are edgeless, and are Korean split fiber. I included last years version, the 460 just for the data. However, when comparing the two new, "talk of the town" towels, (no matter that I do not have a You Tube Channel) the Microfiber Tech towel is EASILY the better overall towel. It of course can be had in blue and gray, both with and without a black silk border. It is thicker, feels better in the hand, and not only meets specification but EXCEEDS it. This towel should clearly be sold as a 500 GSM!

I was of the thought before that Microfiber Tech lead the field in providing a quality product at affordable pricing, but this “470” is clearly a “must have” for those that want a Korean towel in their arsenal! This is regardless of whether or not you are paying retail or wholesale. However both sites offer some sort of discounts on volume. Yet Rag Co requires you to purchase 30 to get their towel at a price that is still over a dollar more than Microfiber Tech! (FWIW step up the volume and you can be rewarded with well over $2 savings per unit.)

Not everyone can see, feel and/or appreciate what a split weave Korean towel brings to the table, or for that matter even NEED such a towel. I know I usually don't need
one, (but it's nice to know they are close by). However, if you feel you need one, then you need to look up MFT and put one in your own hands.

A note on measurements. The edgeless towels are not all the same. However they are close enough to 16x16 to call it close enough. Along one axis one may be just a touch
over, where on the other axis it might be just a tad under. Those that know the Korean fiber know that it’ll stretch in one direction but not so much in the other. Whatever may be short can surely be stretched, (even on the non-stretching axis).

After all this I realized that I didn’t include the data column stating what each towel SHOULD weigh based on it’s advertised weight. For those that want to do the
math, the figure you want to use is: 6.0546996094. That is how much of a square meter a SINGLE 16”x16” towel is. So basically you take the weight of a towel, multiply
it by 6.0546996094 and you get the total weight of a sq. meter. Conversely, you’ll divide the weight, say 500 by 6.0546996094 to find out how much a 500 gsm towel
should weigh (82.5804).
 
TheRagCo now advertises there edgeless as 480GSM on their retail page and 470GSM on their new wholesale page.
 
TheRagCo now advertises there edgeless as 480GSM on their retail page and 470GSM on their new wholesale page.

:applause::righton::applause:


So after I figured out the weight, noted it, pointed out the price differences, somewhere along the way someone said:awman: amongst the powers that be.
:joking:(please no hate mail). ;)

I knew the moment I picked up the orange towel from The Rag Company that it wasn't the same as the (much more affordable) "470's" from Microfiber Tech. (Thanks again to rmd for sending me the freebie to check out on my own.)



My thing now is, which one is it? Is it a 480 or a 470?:poke:(Both are good towels btw, just have to decide is one worth the extra cost.)
 
Interesting, wonder what brought that change about? MFT is still cheaper on those. I'll be travelling to AZ Friday and packed some supplies to do a job out there. Can't wait to test out my dual pile for rinseless and the new edgeless on a the rest of the work.
 
:applause::righton::applause:


So after I figured out the weight, noted it, pointed out the price differences, somewhere along the way someone said:awman: amongst the powers that be.
:joking:(please no hate mail). ;)

I knew the moment I picked up the orange towel from The Rag Company that it wasn't the same as the (much more affordable) "470's" from Microfiber Tech. (Thanks again to rmd for sending me the freebie to check out on my own.)



My thing now is, which one is it? Is it a 480 or a 470?:poke:(Both are good towels btw, just have to decide is one worth the extra cost.)

It depends now. TRC is now cheaper if you buy 60-90 towels. MT is cheaper if you buy 100+ towels.
 
Just placed an order from a west coast company for a couple towels. Going to see which one I like the most and do a big order.
 
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