Gyeon Water Spot Remover - Mistake or Warning?

Boosters made by others shouldn't be an issue. I've been doing that for years and get great hydrophobic longevity.

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I may have missed it and I know I'm reviving this old thread but for clarification of others looking into this...my bottle of Gyeon Water-spot Remover says "wash with a ph soap, spray onto a dry surface, wipe off with a MF and wash with a bodywork shampoo and rinse with a pressure washer". It also mentions that it should not be left on the paint.
 
Just to chime in---I've read that there are downsides to different LSP's

In the case of coatings---the downside are water spots. From what I understand...

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Tom
 
TMQ said:
Just to chime in---I've read that there are downsides to different LSP's

In the case of coatings---the downside are water spots. From what I understand...

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Tom
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I think water spots are really an issue for any LSP that will bead water. The SiO2 coatings do seem to be worse for this than traditional LSPs. I would expect some of the new generation ones like skin and gloss which have incorporated some fluorine vs lots of SiO2, won't be affected as badly.
 
Generally, the higher the SiO2 content, the more spotting seems to be an issue. (At least so I've read.)

Beading looks nice, but I think beading is particularly bad for the paint. If the car is dirty or if the water beads have higher mineral content, that stuff just stays on the paint, and when the water evaporates, the minerals are left behind. Depending upon the acid content of the water and the level of resistance, some coatings are just prone to spotting. It's not a good look.

Many coatings need toppers to add to the hydrophobic nature.

In my opinion, the best coating/topper combo gets the water OFF the car and doesn't bead.

All the water spot removers do something to the hydrophobic qualities of the coating. I'm not sure what it is, but I've seen it ruin the quality of the coating with many water spot removers on several coatings.

I'm not sure if it degrades the coating itself, but I assume that it must on some level. SiO2 will break down with acid. I'm just not sure to what degree. Clearly, however, the performance of the coating suffers after using a water spot remover - so much that you need to put a topper on after using it.

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I think it depends on the individual coatings to be honest. I use c quartz UK which is a very high sio2 coating and I do think have issues with water spotting from rain or anything. I only have it with the hard water from my taps but hard water will water spot anything. That being said I never had an issue getting good the water spots off with just a quick detailer or something. To help fight this as well I do rinse less washes 90 percent of the time. Glosscoat, I've had water spot issues from rain water. No issues with polish angel or CSL. Again, from the rain and what not. The hardness level of my water will etch anything if you leave it on for a week.
 
The nanoskin probably killed whatever coating you had left on the car.
 
fightnews said:
The nanoskin probably killed whatever coating you had left on the car.
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Possibly, but I would generally disagree. Often a light clay and a fine grade Nanoskin will remove particles and refresh the surface. I think silica behaves and bonds differently from an organic sealant or wax.

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