Help! Audi A8

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Hello everyone!

I hope that everyone is well ☺️

I have a severe dilemma, I have been detailing my own cars since time immemorial and have come across a challenge!

So my phantom black paint (metallic) has been clayed several times before and recently I saw a video where Mike demonstrated to take a plastic bag and rub it over the paintwork, if it felt like glass it's perfect. The problem I have is I have tried Meguiars smooth clay kit to no avail and today tried a more aggressive bilt hamber claybar which again did nothing, I have used dodo juice detailing spray and used it liberally, so no marring and perfect application however no result.

The entire body feels horribly bumpy when I run my hands across with a plastic bag and it's like little bumps all over. My car has never been resprayed or in an accident so bodywork and paintwork is intact and factory finished.

I am thinking of purchasing a rotary polisher and a dual action but need to know what is it exactly that is causing this problem? 🤔

Any help suggestions will be greatly appreciated 🙏🏼
 
It could be overspray paint, or it could be tiny little tree sap drops. Try wiping it and letting it soak a minute with mineral spirits.
 
JeffM said:
It could be overspray paint, or it could be tiny little tree sap drops. Try wiping it and letting it soak a minute with mineral spirits.
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Jeff, you may be right, as I have parked a few times at work to return at the end of the day and find tiny sticky drops of gooey stuff all over the car and ants crawling everywhere, but would get the car washed immediately.

Is there a specific product I can purchase? I live in London, England. How about metal fallout removers? Will it be aggressive enough to move it?


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Mineral spirits is paint thinner , won't it effect the paint on my car?

I have half a bottle left somewhere but worried about my paint


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suf420 said:
recently I saw a video where Mike demonstrated to take a plastic bag and rub it over the paintwork
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The Baggie Test - It's a real eye opener!

The Baggie Test as seen on Competition Ready TV with AJ and Mike Phillips


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suf420 said:
The problem I have is I have tried Meguiars smooth clay kit to no avail and today tried a more aggressive bilt hamber claybar which again did nothing, I have used dodo juice detailing spray and used it liberally, so no marring and perfect application however no result.
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Sounds like both a hard substance and a strong bond to the paint.


suf420 said:
The entire body feels horribly bumpy when I run my hands across with a plastic bag and it's like little bumps all over. My car has never been resprayed or in an accident so bodywork and paintwork is intact and factory finished.

I am thinking of purchasing a rotary polisher and a dual action but need to know what is it exactly that is causing this problem? ��

Any help suggestions will be greatly appreciated ����
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If you don't mind re-polishing the paint I'd recommend getting a Nanoskin Autoscrub Towel, Mitt or Pad.

You can use the towel and mitt by hand either when you're washing the car or after you've washed and dried the car with clay lube.

You can use the Nanoskin Autoscrub Pad with any dual action polisher.


We went over all 4 of these option at our Roadshow Detailing Class in London.


Pictures from Autogeek's Competition Ready Roadshow Detailing Class at Waxstock in England!


Nanoskin Autoscrub Wash Mitts to Mechanically Decontaminate the paint during the washing process.

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Nanoskin Autoscrub Towels - Also to Mechanically Decontaminate the paint during the washing process.

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These types of products are not cheap so I share a tip I use to identify which side I'm currently using and which side is been worn out.

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Here's traditional detailing clay because in our classes you learn to do it the proper and correct way....

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And Nanoskin Autoscrub Pads

If you've read my book, "How to use the FLEX 3401 you already know what I think about these cool tools!

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The thing about using these more aggressive mechanical means of remove above surface bonded contaminants is that you increase the risk of marring the paint. You'll see this on black paint but not light colors but it could still be happening on light colors it's just the human eye has a harder time seeing it.

For this reason, my own PERSONAL rule is that IF I'm going to do ANY mechanical procedure to remove above surface bonded contaminants I'm already planning on doing at least ONE machine polishing step.


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Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
If you think it might be overspray, then besides Mineral Spirits, you can try Turpentine which is a solvent derived from tree sap.

Like dissolves like


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, so the mineral spirits would be fine on the car paint and not affect it adversely?


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This coming from a relative novice, but is there a chance the clay lube being used was providing too much lubrication to allow the clay to do it's job? Just a thought.
 
Hmm, I don't think so. As Mike said it would be bonded contaminants to the paint.

Update: I used white Sprit liberally on a microfibre cloth and rubbed it on all the body panels. Then went over with clay once again. I must say that 70% of it is gone however I can still feel slight bumps. I guess it may take another 1 to 2 rounds of the white spirit and claying to completely remove everything

I've applied Poorboys black hole glaze and finished with a layer of Dodo juice purple haze and its not looking too bad

Still need to purchase the clay towel/mitt and try that though.




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Mike, what would you suggest I purchase in this case.

A rotary or dual action to use for both removing the contamination with the autoscrub pads and then proceed to polish with a lake country pad (which one?)


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There is one available in London which has a lot of positive reviews on Amazon, it's called the silverstorm rotary Silverstorm 129659 180 mm Sander Polisher, 1500 W https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0021L95WA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_wDZVxb0S7HFN4 , would you recommend this? I don't want to fork out for a flex 3401 just yet but that is on the bucket list for sometime this or next year


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A rotary has a fairly large learning curve. You can pick up a DA, with some youtube learning, and be ready to polish your paint in a matter of a day or so. My .02. Both take time behind the machine to get better, but I feel a DA is much more forgiving.
 
SKorch630 said:
A rotary has a fairly large learning curve. You can pick up a DA, with some youtube learning, and be ready to polish your paint in a matter of a day or so. My .02. Both take time behind the machine to get better, but I feel a DA is much more forgiving.
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Agreed, appreciate your input. However to achieve paint correction (swirl marks) isn't it better to go for a rotary?


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Certainly, seen it and love it to bits


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suf420 said:
Agreed, appreciate your input. However to achieve paint correction (swirl marks) isn't it better to go for a rotary?


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With the pad and polishes of today a da polisher can remove some serious damage. You tube some videos of a da polisher and microfiber pad and you can see how well a da polisher can remove damage. I have never personally used a rotary machine on a car so I can't make comparisons on my experience. I have friends who detail for a living and say a rotary can remove defects faster but the da polisher is not far behind and is so much safer. I say get yourself a gg6 from griots if money is a object currently. Griots compounds and polishes work well it is the boss line im talking about, they finish incredibly well and work time is forever
 
Detailsbydaniel said:
With the pad and polishes of today a da polisher can remove some serious damage. You tube some videos of a da polisher and microfiber pad and you can see how well a da polisher can remove damage. I have never personally used a rotary machine on a car so I can't make comparisons on my experience. I have friends who detail for a living and say a rotary can remove defects faster but the da polisher is not far behind and is so much safer. I say get yourself a gg6 from griots if money is a object currently. Griots compounds and polishes work well it is the boss line im talking about, they finish incredibly well and work time is forever
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Had a look around but the griots is not available in the UK, there is one called the "Challenge Xtreme Dual Action Car Polisher."

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/4645777.htm

I will look into this and get one as it sounds good enough to start with


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For what it's worth, the majority of my corrections have been done on Audis, and I use the Griot's 6" and their pads/polishes. Recently upgraded to their BOSS line and have been very happy. Griot's also has a stellar warranty and customer service if you need it.

Also, was looking at the Nanoskin pad page and saw they only reference using them on a DA (which makes sense).
 
suf420 said:
Had a look around but the griots is not available in the UK, there is one called the "Challenge Xtreme Dual Action Car Polisher."

Buy Challenge Xtreme Dual Action Car Polisher at Argos.co.uk - Your Online Shop for Car cleaning.

I will look into this and get one as it sounds good enough to start with


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You posted this while I was typing. :) Have you found any detailing forums that are more focused in your area that might have reviews on that unit? Sometimes learning about what your going to buy and it's competition is half the fun.
 
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