Help me choose my first polisher

[pgeorgan]

the iphone (apple) is made in china. great product, right?

I wouldn't use Apple as a proxy for goods made in China. Apple is a vertically integrated company and they own virtually every stage of their production. It's all very tightly controlled.

There aren't any other brands made in China that benefit front this type of integration, that I'm aware of.

The quality control is just lower in China than in America. That's a fact. They also choose to go with lower quality parts in order to keep the end-consumer prices down. Another fact.

Some companies eat the cost and stand behind their product, like Griot's. Their stuff is made in China but they're taking all the risk with a Lifetime Warranty. Contrast that with Rupes, their product is insanely expensive and yet you only get 1 year? Hmm...

 

[pgeorgan]

Sandro at Car Craft can’t stop singing the praises of the Shinemate 620 and it’s much cheaper than even my legacy Rupes 15, and slightly less than half of a Rupes MK III

I went over to Shinemate's Amazon storefront and it looks like some of Sandro's videos are being used for advertising. It might be the case that he has a financial interest in the company. Just playing devil's advocate here, as I really love his videos. That is how the YouTube business model works, anyways...

 

[oneheadlite]

Question for the class related to OP's original comment on doing mainly soft Japanese paint systems - am I mis-remembering (wouldn't be surprising...) that long throw polishers on soft paint can be more challenging to finish off well?

Of course I can't remember a specific example, but I thought I remember reading on here that achieving a flawless finish on soft paint can be easier with a short throw?

I can only speak from a house with (hard) Audi paint, but I've been extremely happy with my G9/G8 combo. Also worked great on my Wife's Mom's pure black Volvo.

 

[Paul A.]

Well, hold up a minute...

Can't really have an all American NHL.

Nevermind, hosers.

 

[Paul A.]

Could tie Alaska in nicely though.

 

[VISITOR]

I wouldn't use Apple as a proxy for goods made in China. Apple is a vertically integrated company and they own virtually every stage of their production. It's all very tightly controlled.

There aren't any other brands made in China that benefit front this type of integration, that I'm aware of.

The quality control is just lower in China than in America. That's a fact. They also choose to go with lower quality parts in order to keep the end-consumer prices down. Another fact.

Some companies eat the cost and stand behind their product, like Griot's. Their stuff is made in China but they're taking all the risk with a Lifetime Warranty. Contrast that with Rupes, their product is insanely expensive and yet you only get 1 year? Hmm...

unless you're at the factory (and are the owner of the company who is doing business) and know exactly everything that goes into all products (and sourced materials) I wouldn't assume it's a fact. not every product is junk, that's my point. quality comes in different levels..

p.s. brian/apex detail has many videos of different polishers he breaks down. there's some good info...

 

[chilly]

I went over to Shinemate's Amazon storefront and it looks like some of Sandro's videos are being used for advertising. It might be the case that he has a financial interest in the company. Just playing devil's advocate here, as I really love his videos. That is how the YouTube business model works, anyways...

This is always a concern in my book

The “Pan approach” to reviews and marketing on YouTube

At the end of the day I guess you either trust someone and take the plunge or sit around fretting over what to buy

The jury is still out for me and I have plenty of time to keep researching

Who knows what will be available in the next 6 months


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[pgeorgan]

unless you're at the factory (and are the owner of the company who is doing business) and know exactly everything that goes into all products (and sourced materials) I wouldn't assume it's a fact. not every product is junk, that's my point. quality comes in different levels..

p.s. brian/apex detail has many videos of different polishers he breaks down. there's some good info...

Alternatively, one can examine every product they get from China and see where plastic gears are used in place of metal gears, circuit boards have poorly soldered joints, etc... The few exceptions are the products that still carry a premium.

The idiom, "you get what you pay for", is usually pretty accurate.

The few exceptions are just that: exceptions.

I did see Apex video on Shinemate. It's probably a good polisher. I suspect they cloned a Rupes and subtracted out the Italian markup. After all, there's nothing particularly proprietary about the physics that goes into these machines.

In economics, there's this thing called a "Giffen Good". Put simply, it's product that people consume more of as the price rises...

 

[VISITOR]

Alternatively, one can examine every product they get from China and see where plastic gears are used in place of metal gears, circuit boards have poorly soldered joints, etc... The few exceptions are the products that still carry a premium.

The idiom, "you get what you pay for", is usually pretty accurate.

The few exceptions are just that: exceptions.

I did see Apex video on Shinemate. It's probably a good polisher. I suspect they cloned a Rupes and subtracted out the Italian markup. After all, there's nothing particularly proprietary about the physics that goes into these machines.

In economics, there's this thing called a "Giffen Good". Put simply, it's product that people consume more of as the price rises...

Iong throw polishers idea was taken from the dynabrade attachment. when another product improves on another's short comings, I'm all for it (better for the customer). i'm happy with the ones I have and could careless what anyone else assumes (as do many others)...

 

[pgeorgan]

Iong throw polishers idea was taken from the dynabrade attachment. when another product improves on another's short comings, I'm all for it (better for the customer). i'm happy with the ones I have and could careless what anyone else assumes (as do many others)...

Ok? I'm not sure how that relates to my comment, though.

Don't get the wrong idea here. I own Griots and Rupes. I buy American, I also buy from China. And I guess I buy Italy? But I'm also realistic about what I'm getting.

 

[chilly]

unless you're at the factory (and are the owner of the company who is doing business) and know exactly everything that goes into all products (and sourced materials) I wouldn't assume it's a fact. not every product is junk, that's my point. quality comes in different levels..

p.s. brian/apex detail has many videos of different polishers he breaks down. there's some good info...

Exactly, blanket statements don't work

Made in America is no guarantee of a high level of quality

When I was a kid (I'm 66) MADE IN JAPAN was a derogatory statement indicating poor quality

Now we can't afford to have stuff made there

My 2020 Lexus UX250h was made in Japan and is head and shoulders above my 2017 Toyota Tacoma in even panels gaps, panel alignment, general workmanship, etc and the Taco was partially built in the US

One of my other hobbies is mountain biking and fat tire biking

I have been in the game for almost 40 years

The highest quality mountain bike frames went from made in America to made in Japan to made in Taiwan to made in China as prices in each place climbed and they had to go to the next cheaper country for manufacturing

All of the new manufacturing places had a period where quality and workmanship took a hit but then the quality came back and in some cases exceeded the best we could do here

Assuming an Italian polisher is better than a Chinese one simply based on country of origin is not a safe assumption in my book

 

[VISITOR]

Exactly, blanket statements don't work

Made in America is no guarantee of a high level of quality

When I was a kid (I'm 66) MADE IN JAPAN was a derogatory statement indicating poor quality

Now we can't afford to have stuff made there

My 2020 Lexus UX250h was made in Japan and is head and shoulders above my 2017 Toyota Tacoma in even panels gaps, panel alignment, general workmanship, etc and the Taco was partially built in the US

One of my other hobbies is mountain biking and fat tire biking

I have been in the game for almost 40 years

The highest quality mountain bike frames went from made in America to made in Japan to made in Taiwan to made in China as prices in each place climbed and they had to go to the next cheaper country for manufacturing

All of the new manufacturing places had a period where quality and workmanship took a hit but then the quality came back and in some cases exceeded the best we could do here

Assuming an Italian polisher is better than a Chinese one simply based on country of origin is not a safe assumption in my book

:iagree: things & times change...

 

[VISITOR]

here'a a video of some shinemate polishers being discussed on here or the brand in general...

 

[chilly]

here'a a video of a shinemate polisher being discussed on here or the brand in general...

First, I am not a fan of that guy's channel, I find him hard to watch and take seriously, he comes across to me as the Gilbert Gottfried of detailing

However

His observations of this particular polisher match all the other observations I have seen on the web

It may be too early in the game to talk about longevity but the 620 has been out the better part of a year I think and I haven't seen any blown up units yet

As I said, you gather the facts as best you can and make a decision based on needs, budget, etc

I can easily buy 3 new Rupes machines to rebuild my arsenal (I married well) but why would I want to when I can buy three damn good machines for the price of the single most expensive Rupes I would be considering (Ibrid)

Like I said on a different thread, I have no one to impress

 

[PaulMys]

I buy American, I also buy from China.

You said it all right here.

When you buy "American" you are buying from China. At least in part.

Show me a 100% American-made truck, lawnmower, washing machine, OR polisher and I'm all over it.

 

[John U]

If you want to step up to a Flex or Rubes and can wait for the right deal listen up.

At Christmas buy a couple of $300 gift certificates at 20% off...($600 value for $480) Sit on them until the 15% polisher sale in February. Rubes are excluded usually but I've snagged two Flex's this way. The kits with goodies are only a few dollars more. At that price point there are free goods tossed in with a sale.

That Shinemate cordless on Amazon it $500. I paid $385ish after discounts for a cordless Flex.

 

[noorth]

Just don’t annex Quebec

That way we can avoid all the signs being in French as well as English

Oh, and MPH and gallons at the gas pump is a must


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We don't need Quebec....haha English speaking people are their subordinates in their minds. (Very large part of the population at least.)

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

That combo is still a front runner as well

I know they are a solid choice

My issue with Griots is their shipping policies for Alaska as I have stated in the past

They only ship 2nd day or express and it’s crazy expensive

I am limited to buying most of their line and all of their BOSS stuff from a third party if I decide I want it since they don’t sell that line through the local outlets that handle their stuff

There are a couple other lines that only ship super expensive ways or simply don’t ship to Alaska at all so I choose not to do business with them


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If you can wait till Black Friday Autogeek has Griots polisher kits 15% off that should help offset shipping which should be $30-40 from AG.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

I wouldn't use Apple as a proxy for goods made in China. Apple is a vertically integrated company and they own virtually every stage of their production. It's all very tightly controlled.

There aren't any other brands made in China that benefit front this type of integration, that I'm aware of.

The quality control is just lower in China than in America. That's a fact. They also choose to go with lower quality parts in order to keep the end-consumer prices down. Another fact.

Some companies eat the cost and stand behind their product, like Griot's. Their stuff is made in China but they're taking all the risk with a Lifetime Warranty. Contrast that with Rupes, their product is insanely expensive and yet you only get 1 year? Hmm...

China has manufacturing facilities to rivals ours. The could make it to any specification and quality ordered.

It’s the companies trying to cut costs who will order their products with lower quality parts and not caring about quality to offer an lower cost product with good Margins.


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[PouncingPanzer]

That combo is still a front runner as well

I know they are a solid choice

My issue with Griots is their shipping policies for Alaska as I have stated in the past

They only ship 2nd day or express and it’s crazy expensive

I am limited to buying most of their line and all of their BOSS stuff from a third party if I decide I want it since they don’t sell that line through the local outlets that handle their stuff

There are a couple other lines that only ship super expensive ways or simply don’t ship to Alaska at all so I choose not to do business with them


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That is certainly an obstacle many don't have to cope with. That sucks man!