Help me find a replacement for BSD

Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer Spray.

I've diluted it about 1:2, 1 part BSD to 2 parts distilled water. It seems fine, but there's this nagging thought that if this was optimum, wouldn't the manufacturer have produced it this way? So I'm thinking that I'm reducing the BSD's effectiveness. I ordered another bottle and I've been considering 2 options:

1 - Since the PNS is the sealant, and a protectant, and dare I say it... a sacrificial layer, the BSD is now then a second sacrificial layer. So full strength or diluted, does it really matter?

2 - So what if the PNS is a sealant, etc. The BSD does provide excellent protection, plus is extremely hydrophobic and self cleaning. Why diminish a good thing by diluting the BSD? Nothing wrong with having 2 layers of protection, so long as they don't work against each other.

I may end up using the BSD full strength every 2-3 washes, and diluted for quick detailing.
 
The PNS and BSD is haveing the same polymers in them that gives you the protection and performance from it. So you are basicly applying PNS over it self but in a weaker strength with a cleaning ability from it in the BSD. Even their ceramic coating is the PNS and or BSD the recommended topper. It's a 12 months coating as it is but with refresh it with the PNS every 6 months you get 36 months longevity from it. A little strange their coating Sonax CC36 that way but not an unusual way with the polymer coatings before the ceramic coatings came with a longer protection. And even those that are over 3 years coatings often has so you get back to the installer. They do a decon and apply a topper that works in synergy. This is often done every 6 months to 1 year. So no problem at all which dilution you apply the BSD over the PNS. It's the longevity from it self that you reduce. But since it's so concentrated with the polymers you get an extreme longevity from it for being a QD. I like to use it full strength every month or so when I have used it. Go after the performance you have from it. And when you have washed the vehical and notice in the rinse step of the car soap it's degraded performance. Just apply a new layer of the BSD and you are back. You can stretch the PNS a very long time doing this. And who knows when you have only BSD left on the paint as you top it up. So if you you get any swirls and scratches or you get contaminants that degrade the highest behavior. Then a decon and if only contaminants a fresh layer of PNS. If swirls and scratches a light polishing step and then a new PNS layer. This you can do up to a year or 2 depending on the environment you live in and what kind of abuse the vehical gets. It's a great system if you want to keep it simple and get coating like results from it.
 
Klasse Act said:
Look up 2 spots....^^^^

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I'm looking up the 2 spots and do not see what BSD is. Can you spell it out for those of us who don't look at this everyday please?
 
BadgerRivFan said:
I would suggest sticking with BSD for topping up PNS after washing, and for the product you can use “between” washes to clean up the rear bumper and trunk go with a waterless wash that does not leave anything behind.

I’d get a pump sprayer for this purpose and fill it with N-914 (or D114 if you have any) at the recommended waterless wash dilution ratio and spray it liberally. This will accomplish your objective of keeping the areas more prone to collecting dirt clean, while also not diminishing the characteristics of the PNS/BSD combination that you indicated you are happy with.
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This is the correct answer.
 
Jayfro said:
I took Klasses advice a couple of months ago when I was having issues with BSD and it worked like a champ except I did mine at 1:1. I sprayed it directly on a lightly dampened MF towel too instead of on the panel, amazing results!
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Recently started doing the same. 1 to 1 and it's super easy to use and still gives great protection and makes an inexpensive product even more affordable.

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I'd give 303's Speed Detailer a try, a very quiet product that's really good

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Off topic: Can I put a 2nd coat of PNS on a vehicle that I put PNS on a few days ago (no additional topper, yet (but will be BSD))? Not sure I got good enough coverage on the first pass and also winter-prep for Boston.
 
howardm4 said:
Off topic: Can I put a 2nd coat of PNS on a vehicle that I put PNS on a few days ago (no additional topper, yet (but will be BSD))? Not sure I got good enough coverage on the first pass and also winter-prep for Boston.
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Sure you can. Just wash first and you should be good to go. I usually do 2 coats of PNS a couple hours apart for coverage reasons.


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I'll be reapplying PNS to my wifes car this weekend, it's been about 4 months since I laid down PNS, doesnt have the "soft buttery feel" anymore!
 
I’ve been mixing BSD and V07 50/50 for the last 3 months and have enjoyed it . Velvet like smoothness, not grabby at all. I’m using it over PNS
 
Whats V07? (I'm no good with all these acronyms, sry!)
Thxs :)
 
kbmag1 said:
I’ve been mixing BSD and V07 50/50 for the last 3 months and have enjoyed it . Velvet like smoothness, not grabby at all. I’m using it over PNS
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Do you have the same extreme water behavior and self cleaning ability from it with the BSD/ Chemical Guys V07?
 
SWETM said:
Do you have the same extreme water behavior and self cleaning ability from it with the BSD/ Chemical Guys V07?
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That, more than anything else is my concern here. Are the qualities of both products diminished by combining them? Are you getting the best of both worlds, or ending up with a different end product that is a lesser quality than either in their original form?

But then again, if you use it often enough, refreshing the “coating” before it’s totally gone, it really won’t matter, you’ll have protection in your paint 24/7/365, right? (I put coating in quotes since neither of these are actually coatings.)
 
V07 is it’s name- from chemical guys
I reapply monthly, so I can confirm that it easily last that long.
Environment in which it is exposed has been 92-95F and extremely sunny - which is very hard on the horizontal surfaces. This combo with PNS has been very coating like (no worries of water spots either).
 
Just saw this and would recommend you guys and gals who uses BSD to try this bottle EZ Mist Sprayer. I used it with apply drying aid and when applyied directly on the dry paint if you like that more than into the mf towel. Even if BSD is a thicker consistency it mist out perfect from it. The benefit with these QD that leaves high protection behind is that you don't need to be use 1 spray and try to spread it out over a whole panel. This leaves you with a very thin even layer of the BSD or any product really. And it's builds up a little pressure from it so even when you have triggered it it keeps misting out from it. You get used to it and is easy to work with.

EZ Mist Sprayer - Black

Here's one downside that you should carefully think of when useing it. Since the mist spray is almost atomizes be carefull or prefed to not use this bottle when it's windy outside. May seem silly but these products is not good to breath in. And also it's not good to get it in your eyes either. So get the knowledge on how the wind is coming and always have it in your back blowing when you use this. I have gotten it in my eyes the BSD and it's not pleasant experience at all. This is actually important with any spray bottle as some finer mist can come out from them too. But this you get more fine mist out of it. I love useing these fine mist spray bottle with the building up pressure in them as you spray it. Have another glossenhancer spray that comes original in a bottle like this.

Ad one in the next order and put your favorite QD/drying aid in the EZ Mist Sprayer and see how it works for you and how you like it. There are not anything close to this I think in how they works technically. Cut BSD 1:1 with distilled water if useing it as a drying aid and full strength if you apply it on dry paint for the long protection and if only a wipe down for maintance use the 1:1 dilution.

/ Tony
 
SWETM said:
Just saw this and would recommend you guys and gals who uses BSD to try this bottle EZ Mist Sprayer. I used it with apply drying aid and when applyied directly on the dry paint if you like that more than into the mf towel. Even if BSD is a thicker consistency it mist out perfect from it. The benefit with these QD that leaves high protection behind is that you don't need to be use 1 spray and try to spread it out over a whole panel. This leaves you with a very thin even layer of the BSD or any product really. And it's builds up a little pressure from it so even when you have triggered it it keeps misting out from it. You get used to it and is easy to work with.

EZ Mist Sprayer - Black

Here's one downside that you should carefully think of when useing it. Since the mist spray is almost atomizes be carefull or prefed to not use this bottle when it's windy outside. May seem silly but these products is not good to breath in. And also it's not good to get it in your eyes either. So get the knowledge on how the wind is coming and always have it in your back blowing when you use this. I have gotten it in my eyes the BSD and it's not pleasant experience at all. This is actually important with any spray bottle as some finer mist can come out from them too. But this you get more fine mist out of it. I love useing these fine mist spray bottle with the building up pressure in them as you spray it. Have another glossenhancer spray that comes original in a bottle like this.

Ad one in the next order and put your favorite QD/drying aid in the EZ Mist Sprayer and see how it works for you and how you like it. There are not anything close to this I think in how they works technically. Cut BSD 1:1 with distilled water if useing it as a drying aid and full strength if you apply it on dry paint for the long protection and if only a wipe down for maintance use the 1:1 dilution.

/ Tony
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Thank you Tony, I added that to my Wish List for next week! I'll probably get a couple of them, one for BSD and another "just to have"!
 
So diluting BSD with water, 1:2, is disappointing.

I haven’t polished my car since 13 months ago but the finish is still glossy and any swirls are “invisible” in my silver paint. PNS and BSD has been good to this garage-kept ride over the last 12,500 miles and 13 months.

So I washed it this week and saw the water-beading to be a little less than I’m accustomed to, so decided to freshen it this morning (it’s been parked since the wash) with the diluted BSD I prepared. Did the entire car, applying with a short nap MF and buffing with a soft MF with a deeper pile. Added a nice gloss... I was happy.

Did some chores and I’m driving home in the rain, and I can see the hood is not as hydrophobic as I expected. The performance of the BSD is drastically diminished. There’s clearly no substitute for full strength protection. I will use my diluted solution only as a quick detailer for touch ups.

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