Horrible DA grey scale marks?!

paul_g said:
Every time I think I'll do a test spot with 105, I say "what was I thinking!" Most of the posts on this forum that are related to poor results have to do with 105 and or (dare I say...) 205. Both are very good, don't get me wrong, and work wonderfully... under the right conditions and paint. I've had great success with 205.

But really the go to is BOSS Fast Correcting Cream, Pinnacle Advanced Compound. I also had great success with HD Adapt 501 & 502.
I also used the Sonax 04-06 and really liked that as well.

I recently did a 16 Corvette with Boss Correcting Cream, and Fast Correcting Cream in some spots for spot buffs...

You need something with a longer work time. Also, did you prime your pad? How many section passes did you do? Did you do a test spot, one with 105, then another with a different compound (with a different technology) to compare the diff? I perish the thought if you did the whole car w/out a test spot and realized after 5 to 8 hours you didn't like the results....
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I LOL'D!

I no longer buy M105. I shudder at the though of using it just sitting here - unless it's on a rotary with wool. I like it in that situation.

M100, or UC on the random orbitals was a huge sanity saver for me.

Since reading Todd Helme's article on M205, it's been a dream to use, and the results better than I could have imagined.
 
I recently did a 07 blue corvette, started with menzerna hc400, then sf3500 lc orange then white pads with 3401. I was thinking what am I doing wrong too cause there were still allot of rids and swirls left, I learned that the clear was just much harder than what I was used to dealing with, a second go round with nice slow 6 section passes and it all came out nicely.

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Our 2004 Black finally got itself right with the world after Megs D300 w microfiber disc WG TSR on ORANGE LC flat foam and then a bit of WG FG on white LC flat foam. M101 & WG Uber on orange, then yellow LC flat foam were scoffed at by the GM paint. GG6.

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If you only have m105, mist the area with water and clean the pad very well with air after every pass
 
Here's the first picture of swirls you posted...

To me this DOES NOT look like micro-marring, it simply looks like you didn't remove all the deepest swirls and scratches during the first step, i.e. the correction or compounding step.


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Here's the second picture of swirls you posted...


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So if you started with the swirls shown in the second picture and you've worked the finish to what you show in the first picture, it looks to me that you need to spend more time compounding or tweak your technique.


The FLEX 3401 is a a BEAST of a tool meaning it has all the power you need to tackle this car. Like others have said, M105 can be a tick on the difficult side to work with and M205 can be more finicky to finish out with on softer paints, it's usually really good on harder paints.


I have found free spinning orbital polishers (ANY of them), to require less technique and are less dependent on the pad and product to finish out perfect. I talk about this in a write-up I posted 4 years ago in 2012 with this old 2-door sports car...


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Christmas Detail - Ferrari P4 - Move over Rudolf



See post #32


This was something I said 4 years ago and I stick by what I said back then .



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GSKR said:
Cutmax with the right pad for the paint your working on.
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SONAX compounds, polishes and cleaner/waxes use great abrasive technology. Completely bubba-proof. Even someone brand new to machine polishing can't help but get professional results. Plus no dusting, easy wipe-off.

Use with any tool.


I have a class at Mobile Tech Expo with Rob McCrary that will go over the SONAX brand of products. More info here,



Mobile Tech Expo 2017 - Classes this year




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It's not the pads, I had a similar issue using M105 on black raven Cadillac
ATS. Switched over to Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover which solved the issue. Followed with Wolfgang Finishing Glaze and their sealant. All while using the Flex.

Also, Menzerna SF-3500 worked well, but for aggressive swirl remover the Total Swirl Remover is phenomenal.


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The same thing happened to me a few weeks back working on an Altima.
Problem solved just by switching from my Flex 3401 to my Rupes 15.
I have no answer as to why the Rupes did the trick except maybe the larger throw was better for the paint I was working on.
Products used was the 3M line. 2&3 and the orange and white LC pads.


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Agree with what Mike said.

Was the second pic before or after polishing?
 
HateSwirls said:
Problem solved just by switching from my Flex 3401 to my Rupes 15.
I have no answer as to why the Rupes did the trick except maybe the larger throw was better for the paint I was working on.


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What pad did you use with each tool?
 
Mike Phillips said:
Here's the first picture of swirls you posted...

To me this DOES NOT look like micro-marring, it simply looks like you didn't remove all the deepest swirls and scratches during the first step, i.e. the correction or compounding step.


54392d1483210168-horrible-da-grey-scale-marks-1483210166515.jpg



Here's the second picture of swirls you posted...


54395d1483211244-horrible-da-grey-scale-marks-1483211243776.jpg



So if you started with the swirls shown in the second picture and you've worked the finish to what you show in the first picture, it looks to me that you need to spend more time compounding or tweak your technique.


The FLEX 3401 is a a BEAST of a tool meaning it has all the power you need to tackle this car. Like others have said, M105 can be a tick on the difficult side to work with and M205 can be more finicky to finish out with on softer paints, it's usually really good on harder paints.


I have found free spinning orbital polishers (ANY of them), to require less technique and are less dependent on the pad and product to finish out perfect. I talk about this in a write-up I posted 4 years ago in 2012 with this old 2-door sports car...


Ferrari_P4_Detailed_by_Mike_Phillips_009.jpg



Christmas Detail - Ferrari P4 - Move over Rudolf



See post #32


This was something I said 4 years ago and I stick by what I said back then .



:)
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Thank you for the input! It's much appreciated!! I guess I should have written this post better. These pictures are what's left after removing swrils.

1. first cut with a rotary-paint was horrible. After this step paint was near flawless but had swrils.

2. Corrected the paint with my flex that caused this effect. No matter what I used, pad wise, it still created this spider Web appearance.







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virus911s said:
Thank you for the input! It's much appreciated!! I guess I should have written this post better. These pictures are what's left after removing swrils.

1. first cut with a rotary-paint was horrible. After this step paint was near flawless but had swrils.

2. Corrected the paint with my flex that caused this effect. No matter what I used, pad wise, it still created this spider Web appearance.
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I think I read that you had ordered some Menzerna compounds and polishes?

If so, re-polish a section of an area you polished with the M201 using the FLEX 3401 and a fresh clean foam polishing or finishing pad and then inspect the results.

This should tell you if it's product related or pad or tool.

Menzerna and Meguiar's use very different abrasive technology.


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Mike Phillips said:
I think I read that you had ordered some Menzerna compounds and polishes?

If so, re-polish a section of an area you polished with the M201 using the FLEX 3401 and a fresh clean foam polishing or finishing pad and then inspect the results.

This should tell you if it's product related or pad or tool.

Menzerna and Meguiar's use very different abrasive technology.


:)
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Sounds like I'm headed to autogeek.com haha. I'm not familiar with the Menzerna line up. What do you recommend for a compound, Polish and finishing polish in their line up?

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