How Keen are you on spotting Mismatch Bumper Color

chefwong said:
When I did :rolleyes:......I got a different estimate- since it needed the film applied, from PPF shop that does good work on detailing and PPF. He bought a bodyshop business 2-3 years ago and is operating under 1 roof. I believe the bodyshop is around the corner from the detailing side. Anyhow, the estimate they gave me was a whopping 23 line item invoice. I'm sure it would be more as I was asking on street price initially vs paid by insurance. The previous remark was just me reacting to the being paid for 290 freakun billable items
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I would be reluctant to apply ppf to paint that isn't factory
No matter how good it looks, it won't be "baked in" the same as it was from the factory
If and when it's removed there's a very good chance that the paint will lift

Something else to think about 🤔
 
Flash Gordon said:
I would be reluctant to apply ppf to paint that isn't factory
No matter how good it looks, it won't be "baked in" the same as it was from the factory
If and when it's removed there's a very good chance that the paint will lift

Something else to think about 🤔
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Yeah, I know...anythings possible.. My paint shops are good. I've had stuff painted, wrapped, removed, rewrapped....never have had issues. I only have 18-19 months left on this car.

Granted every paint job is suspect....to the potential of a lift

In my understanding of PPF-Paint from my WIKI readings
The callout of, that PPF manuf. recommends no more than 8 years. The adhesive on it creates what they call a -superbond- to the paint as time goes by
 
Interesting--so the recommendation is to remove and reinstall the PPF after 8 years?
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Interesting--so the recommendation is to remove and reinstall the PPF after 8 years?
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If one keep a car that long.....

Remove after 8 years is the manuf.specification

PPF is expensive. It's just the same or more on maintenance.
It prevents rock chops and micro-marring
All that marketing and upsell aside, as someone who has this, this is something you would probably want to remove/reinstall/ ***refresh*** every 4 years anyhow IMO. Refresh being the key word

Where you don't have rock nicks in paint, you have small nicks in film.

Alot of PPF owners say my install is perfect, etc.......but I guess it depends what is perfect to your eyes..
But we're here on a forum yaaaaking about this stuff so how we look or view paint is a bit more magnified
 
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Setec Astronomy said:
Interesting--so the recommendation is to remove and reinstall the PPF after 8 years?
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Yes sir, and it's not cheap to remove
If that doesn't discourage you most shops will require you to sign a waiver just in case the paint lifts upon removal (what's the point again?)

Unless you do A LOT of interstate driving I don't see the value
Some argue that if will be as popular as window tint one day, but I don't see that happening

I do find the "color changing" wraps interesting 🤔
 
chefwong said:
Yeah, I know...anythings possible.. My paint shops are good. I've had stuff painted, wrapped, removed, rewrapped....never have had issues. I only have 18-19 months left on this car.

Granted every paint job is suspect....to the potential of a lift

In my understanding of PPF-Paint from my WIKI readings
The callout of, that PPF manuf. recommends no more than 8 years. The adhesive on it creates what they call a -superbond- to the paint as time goes by
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If you only have 18 months left, this means it's a lease?
 
Owned, but I don't keep it past warranty

Crazy as this sounds but since the 1/4's need to get redone, I might have all 4 doors + rockers replaced . Mainly as it's a different film than the original install and it's kinda like paint - I want the Orange Peel to match
 
Flash Gordon said:
Some argue that if will be as popular as window tint one day, but I don't see that happening
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I think it has reached that point. I feel if one goes to a professional detailing shop, more than half of new jobs are full wrap. frontal + high impact wraps replacing coatings as the usual de-facto standard. I don't pay for coatings @ the detailer since I can deal with that myself and also.....IME, coatings don't last long on PPF so it's a poor ROI if you're having it done professionally. PPF IMO makes hand over fist versus a less priced ceramic coat on paint.
 
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Many years ago I had the front bumper and nudge bar replaced on the FJ, before I put the steel bar on, and there was a listing on the invoice for "paint and supplies", I can't recall how much. All the parts came pre-painted from Toyota, and it was all covered by insurance, so I ignored it, I was happy to be getting it back same day.
 
Well....almost a month @ the shop, blown away at the payout which was expected....

It was a sideswipe. New Bumper Skin, flare maybe a smidge of bondo to fix a small crease and I was on the edge about whether to blend or not ( My mind was set on keeping factory paint)..

Pickup up the car next week....and the work order aside from the usual inflated fluff, is blend all the way to A pillar and Aperture Blending. A quick google suggest it means the doors, etc are removed so that there is no distinct line on the clear blend it goes all the way back to the inside of the door frame (my repair order does show line items for new stickers, in which a VIN sticker alone is $150)...So I lost factory paint on the complete rear tailgate, quarter panels, inside frame of the door frames (I believe that is the aperture) and possible A Pillar. On the work order, they have removed the front windhield trim (and being paid for replace at $400 per side) in addition to the -fluff- . I'll know what was *actually done* since alot of the car has PPF so in theory if something was done on the work order ..it may reflect due to me seeing missing PPF. I do want my car properly repaired...but the bodyshop asked for the moon and the adjuster allowed it.

Back when I was younger, I would not question these over-inflated repairs but I look at all things through a different set of lenses these days.

20K Bodyshop Payout Later, $80 a day x Loaner Days, and the PPF + Loaner which still has not been calculated into the final repair cost

In my readings, I did learn something new and to share to the AGO WIKI, which is 75% is not the new threshold on total loss. In some instance, 50% may be called for a total if the adjuster compares the wholesale auction value vs adding the cost of a loaner + possibly 1 or 2 supplements, etc...

So back on topic for Any BodyShop Gurus. For a Bumper Repair, does anyone know what the true entailment is for a aperture blend repair.
I will soon find out if I see the PPF on the lower sill/rockers removed and whether aperture blend includes clear down to the sills . I presume this is the case since I see 4 news stickers being invoiced......but stickers being invoiced may not necessarily translate to a repair of them in which this is part of the 20K fluff
 
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The new 50% rule is a major ripoff for the consumer. Insurance companies recoup all of that money in salvage
Makes me wonder if I wouldn't be better off just having liability and uninsured motorist 🤔

Not sure if this is what you are asking, but i just had a bumper resprayed on a midnight blue 2025 forerunner
We dropped it off this past Tuesday mid day and picked it up yesterday at lunch.
They remove the bumper cover, repair, paint and install
The cost was $550.00 and it looks perfect again
(There was no ppf involved)

On a side note.
Ive also become very tight with my money. It's gotten to the point where I can't spend $100 without 2nd guessing myself
 
Oh
Wait until you get ready to sell your car. Since you've had this accident it's lost THOUSANDS of dollars in value
You will be shocked!!
 
I was asking if anyone knew what -aperture blending- meant in the realm of this repair.
In my reading, I see it going into the door frame but it looks like it extends into the B pillar (after seeing a supplement for stickers)
If doors are removed as part of this process (Yikes- I hope things are aligned), then my read on this -aperture repair- is the clear is also going to the break point of the sills.

I don't expect much but I do plan to file for diminished when the paint is cured, ppf is redone and the car is *done*
I took plenty of pics prior to just show the pre-damage. The fender flare was more obvious than the bumper. You had to look for the -dent- in the light and feel for the raised point where plastic got moved on the point of impact.

When I'm at the shop, I'll ask them what they did and see what response I get .....
Sometimes you just need to read between the lines on what was paid and what was done...
It was a #290 line item work order submitted and paid out on.
 
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chefwong said:
I was asking if anyone knew what -aperture blending- meant in the realm of this repair.
In my reading, I see it going into the door frame but it looks like it extends into the B pillar.
If doors are removed as part of this process (Yikes- I hope things are aligned), then my read on this -aperture repair- is the clear is also going to the break point of the clear.

I don't expect much but I do plan to file for diminished when the paint is cured, ppf is redone and the car is *done*
I took plenty of pics prior to just show the pre-damage. The fender flare was more obvious than the bumper. You had to look for the -dent- in the light and feel for the raised point where plastic got moved on the point of impact.

When I'm at the shop, I'll ask them what they did and see what response I get .....
Sometimes you just need to read between the lines on what was paid and what was done...
It was a #290 line item work order submitted and paid out on.
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While you have the claim going I would definitely ask about diminished value
You're definitely going to take a hit at trade in
 
And if your only keeping another 18 months I would pocket that ppf payout.
Save it for the next car
 
Flash Gordon said:
Makes me wonder if I wouldn't be better off just having liability and uninsured motorist 🤔
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Opposite reaction for me. The most recent experience was a gentle reminder how things can expensive. Ended up increasing my Umbrella as such.
 
Flash Gordon said:
And if your only keeping another 18 months I would pocket that ppf payout.
Save it for the next car
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The rule of DV is you can't file until the car is fully repaired and don't give the adjuster a hint of more money being lost by asking about DV .....so that will come after the PPF redo,

I do like the PPF. No paint chips, no marring on piano black trim.
There are some things I'm not a fan of PPF but it's there for *protection* and not beauty.
Some tradeoffs.

My only fear but it's really the next owners problem is my lack of experience with seeing if PPF removes repaints.
WAAAAAY back in days, back when I was using 3m/Ventureshield, my guys was scared ### when it came down to removing it.
Granted film and adhesive has come a looooooong way since then, but like anything in life, there's no guarantees.
 
Flash Gordon said:
They remove the bumper cover, repair, paint and install
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On a forum where we spend yakking about car washing...and what water and what soap and what mitt....

I'm surprised you didn't remove the bumper cover yourself . Ha.
Just to know no clips or tabs were broken in it's process
 
chefwong said:
The rule of DV is you can't file until the car is fully repaired and don't give the adjuster a hint of more money being lost by asking about DV .....so that will come after the PPF redo,

I do like the PPF. No paint chips, no marring on piano black trim.
There are some things I'm not a fan of PPF but it's there for *protection* and not beauty.
Some tradeoffs.

My only fear but it's really the next owners problem is my lack of experience with seeing if PPF removes repaints.
WAAAAAY back in days, back when I was using 3m/Ventureshield, my guys was scared ### when it came down to removing it.
Granted film and adhesive has come a looooooong way since then, but like anything in life, there's no guarantees.
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I had a 6'6" man tell me he would be kicking my ass if I lifted the paint on his Vantage
Talk about working under pressure
 
chefwong said:
On a forum where we spend yakking about car washing...and what water and what soap and what mitt....

I'm surprised you didn't remove the bumper cover yourself . Ha.
Just to know no clips or tabs were broken in it's process
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Haha!
I've known my painter since I was 12 or 13. He's done thousands of custom paint jobs and even more in collision work
I trust him wholeheartedly to do a good job
Unfortunately he's hanging up his spray gun in July
I have no idea what I'm going to do then
 
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