Extreme Radiance
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I agree with Mike. Although my reason for adding a LSP after AIO is because I want a longer lasting LSP. Based on what I know an AIO wax/sealant has a short life span compared to M21.
How to use a one-step cleaner/wax to maximize profits
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Are the products like auto finesse rejuvenate and lusso oro revitalizing creme considered an AIO/cleaner wax? It's my understanding these are more of just a cleaner. It will prep the surface of the paint for a dedicated wax or sealant. No?
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Junebug
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I started in 2006, and boy! wish I had that article back then. I did EXACTLY like Mike said and even though I've been accused of not learning from my mistakes (married twice!) I did learn quickly that Bubba was thinking I was "mental" for cleaning the brake/gas pedals on a simple wash & wax. I learned quick that busting my butt all day on Saturday for 75 dollars was just stupid.
The most important thing about detailing is to get inside the head of your customer and find out what they want, then go over what it will take to get there and then try to do just a little bit more to impress him/her at the big reveal.
The most important thing about detailing is to get inside the head of your customer and find out what they want, then go over what it will take to get there and then try to do just a little bit more to impress him/her at the big reveal.
You should remember that an AIO is not necessarily a wax. We have AIOs which have wax but we also have polymer AIOs. The terminology is such that any given AIO could be either.
The method by which sealants bond is often not fussy on what is on the surface so there is no reason that it would not bond to a wax. The limitation is more likely to be that the wax has a weaker bond to the paint and thus will limit life.
Spray wax - again, use of terminology is such that a spray wax is as likely to be a sealant as it is a wax.
AIOs are limited in their lifetime, compared to pure cleaner wax/sealants (i.e. no abrasives) because the abrasives can absorb the protecting elements and also because the abrasives can form part of the film you form and compromise the integrity, so it is easier to remove.
Mike Phillips
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Been there and done that myself when I was younger....
Amen to that! Also been there and done that when I was younger...
EXACTLY! Well said. Also the topic of this article,
A few tips on starting a part-time detailing business
Match your services to your customer
And that's called....
Under promising and over delivering....
A great best practice
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Love this thread and it's the second time since it's posting that I've read completely through it. I totally agree with Mike's comments, all of them, in this thread.
That said...
While it's fun to discuss terminology and the differences between an AIO & Cleaner/waxes, let's not get too far off topic that we detract from the original intent of the article/thread...just in case some newbie is reading and needs to learn the importance of...How to use a one-step cleaner/wax to maximize profits. :buffing:
That said...
While it's fun to discuss terminology and the differences between an AIO & Cleaner/waxes, let's not get too far off topic that we detract from the original intent of the article/thread...just in case some newbie is reading and needs to learn the importance of...How to use a one-step cleaner/wax to maximize profits. :buffing:
sparkism13
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Great thread. Being that this thread was started in 2012, has there been any "game changing" technology recently by the way of AIO cleaner/waxes that may help reduce time/maximize profits? What are some of the newer offerings that bring something new to the table? Are the XMT360 and D151 still holding their own? Awesome info in here - wow!
SameGuy
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Me too, both parts! :buffing:
Just used D151 the other weekend and it corrected very well in just 3 passes and left a great finish! I'd say they're holding their own!
SameGuy
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I really should use mine more often. That looks terrific! I'm another one who undersells and over-works. Most of the cars that come to me would turn around just like that CR-V if I used my D151 but somehow I always end up doing a two-step after a D300 test spot. :headslap:
Thanks! I hear yah. The test spot blew me away on this suv. It was with a light polishing pad, 3 passes and medium pressure on speed 4 and it got all the minor swirls out. I was so happy zipping around the car knowing I was saving time, making more money, and getting great results!
sparkism13
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I have read way too many positive comments about D151 not to give it a try. Can't wait for Spring.
My only complaint is that it dusted and xmt360 did not at all!
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steelwindmachine
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Old thread resurrection, but I wanted to ask whether there was some way to verbalize or illustrate the difference between a AIO/production paint detail and a multi-step/multi-product detail for a daily driver?
Surely some may say the multi-step/multi-product detail is like the icing on the cake, but if you took one late model commuter car and did the AIO to one side and the multi-step to the other, would there be a marked discernible difference?
Surely some may say the multi-step/multi-product detail is like the icing on the cake, but if you took one late model commuter car and did the AIO to one side and the multi-step to the other, would there be a marked discernible difference?
Sharply Dressed
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That would depend on the skill of the detailer, products, condition of the paint, etc. However, you will notice a time difference (savings) as the production detail is faster and often what people like and are willing to pay for.
Eldorado2k
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The difference is if you were to come back 3-4 weeks later [2 months tops in ideal conditions] there might not be much protection left on the paint. Shine and beading will have diminished to varying degrees [depending on weather, washings, etc]
Wheras the protection from a solid stand alone sealant/lsp will far exceed and last much longer, and in the long run provide better value for the customer because their vehicle won't look like it's in need of another detail after just 6 weeks or so.. Paint will still be smooth, shiny, and water will still bead/sheet.
New vehicles are less prone to the visual aspects of it, but 1 thing that really separates the 2 packages is the protection, specifically from bonded contaminants. You only get 1 chance to maintain the paint in its like new condition, but it has to done from the very start.
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MattPersman
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To many customers no they won't know the difference or care. They just want clean inside and shiny smooth on the outside. Wait for the person who wants every last ounce of correction done then charge them handsomely. The average daily driver owner doesn't care. That's where the profit is don't try to be a hero and do all this extra work when it's just a clean car they want and a paycheck you want
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TTQ B4U
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Great that this thread popped up again. Solid insight and advice as always. I really enjoy and actually like my "entry level" or lower level packages. Same money per hour but less time and it helps my aging muscles 
I use HD Speed vs just a cleaner wax and if/when needed I can even top it with Collinite 476 for a super long lasting protective coating for the customer.
I use HD Speed vs just a cleaner wax and if/when needed I can even top it with Collinite 476 for a super long lasting protective coating for the customer.