I need a raise!!! - need input/feedback

There's a ton of good advice in this thread.

I unofficially was successful in negotiating a raise this year, hopefully I will find out officially next week. I just want to reiterate to stay cool, confident and only talk about yourself. But it seams like you know that already. What helped me in my negotiation was having a salary survey from other people in my profession with the same experience. Is there something like that for you as well?
 
This thread pieced a lot of it together on the best tactics to discuss a possible raise.

I recently issued a formal raise request this year with my company in July for an additional $14k because I was VERY underpaid for my position and I knew that some lower level engineers were making as much as me. The best things you could do is back you request with factual evidence that shows why you deserve it, and you could even reference various salary websites to gauge what the median is for your position in your specific area.

As long as you combine these things with what you truly bring to the table (years of experience, education, any valid certifications, work merits, etc...) you should be able to keep the ball in your court to convince your company to give you the request.

I apologize for getting to this thread late, but I hope it all works out for you.
 
I'm about as blue collar as you can get Rob and I say this, your post here was professional and to the point w/o "slamming" your boss, I'd go with this post for the most part and put the "ball in his court".
 
Thanks for all the suggestions guys!

I did not get a raise, however my VP said he will talk to the head boss and agreed to talk about this subject "soon". He first tried to say that bonuses are coming, however as I stated that is not the point.

So i will wait and see..

HOWEVER.... something new came up..

Our organization is growing, and there is no space in our office anymore so some of us are sharing an office space.. I now learned that since I am the newest to the office setting, I have to GIVE UP my desk !!!! There is NO OTHER PLACE for me to sit, have a desk, and a phone..

Their statement is "we'll find you something, we'll figure it out"..

Guess I'll work out of a Starbucks or something.. ridiculous!

This is seriously grinding my gears!
 
I did not get a raise, however my VP said he will talk to the head boss and agreed to talk about this subject "soon".

I now learned that since I am the newest to the office setting, I have to GIVE UP my desk !!!! There is NO OTHER PLACE for me to sit, have a desk, and a phone..
^^^ :wow: ... Unbelievable ^^^

I sense some nebulous negotiating goings-on...
Have they always been, what seems to me, such a nefarious employer?

Here's hoping the best for you.


Bob
 
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Our organization is growing, and there is no space in our office anymore so some of us are sharing an office space.. I now learned that since I am the newest to the office setting, I have to GIVE UP my desk !!!! There is NO OTHER PLACE for me to sit, have a desk, and a phone..

Their statement is "we'll find you something, we'll figure it out"..

Guess I'll work out of a Starbucks or something.. ridiculous!

This is seriously grinding my gears!

Whatever happens.....do NOT let them take your Stapler!
 
First thing you need to do is wear something a little revealing and when he's checking you out BAM hit with I need a raise Im the MAN jk a ton of great advice already mentioned. I hope it works out and you get what you feel you are deserved
 
Still welcome any input you may have, we all have different experiences to share and their outcomes.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions guys!

I did not get a raise, however my VP said he will talk to the head boss and agreed to talk about this subject "soon". He first tried to say that bonuses are coming, however as I stated that is not the point.

So i will wait and see..

HOWEVER.... something new came up..

Our organization is growing, and there is no space in our office anymore so some of us are sharing an office space.. I now learned that since I am the newest to the office setting, I have to GIVE UP my desk !!!! There is NO OTHER PLACE for me to sit, have a desk, and a phone..

Their statement is "we'll find you something, we'll figure it out"..

Guess I'll work out of a Starbucks or something.. ridiculous!

This is seriously grinding my gears!

Take the hint, it's time to move on.
 
I have to agree. It's time to start exploring other options. Just to at least see what else is out there. You can always negotiate with your current company after you have another option to go to.
 
^^ I took that sign as well. I was always hoping to settle in with the company for years, but looks like this wont be it.

I applied to 27..yes, 27 jobs in the last 2 days.. bring it! :)

I'm in the private/contract security field, if some were wondering.
 
Good luck and lol at not letting them take your red stapler


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....Their statement is "we'll find you something, we'll figure it out"..

This is seriously grinding my gears!

That... I mean THAT STATEMENT is something that you get when they don't really care one way or another if you stay.

And it'd grind mine too!

OTOH, from the employers standpoint what you may be running into is a situation where these 'others' have been brought it, hired on, transferred from another department as both younger AND more competitive yet carried that higher "price tag" with them when they came on board.

CarMomma has worked at her office for over 30 years. For the first 27+ it was privately owned, had 9 locations, and she was a big fish in a small pond. As such they rewarded her handsomely. Now it's been bought out by a company in every state (including AK & HI) and has over 10,000 employees. She (being a manger) has seen it all during these 3 plus decades. Way back when.... they'd hire only the best and reward them for their abilities (or use a Temp Agency and have a revolving door for those they didn't want to keep). Now it's about the younger, more aggressive, (and sometimes more marketable) individuals.

Going in, being full of gumption/moxie (as a new hire) tends to impress. Doesn't mean the new hires are as good as you at this point, but it DOES (at times) mean that in the future (to the powers that be) they will be better than you. You might be making less now, but they might be on a much slower road to raises. (Although it'd take 10~15 years for you to catch up if you're 20K apart.)

Good for you applying for 27 jobs in 2 days! :dblthumb2:

My daughter (a while back) was looking at moving onward and upward. She was a department manager at a nationwide sporting goods store, (loosely named after the plural slang part of a male body part). ;) :laughing: She made it a point to apply for no less than 10 jobs a day, every day, and did that for over a month. She ended up getting a Store Manager position for her trouble. :)

Now however (after she got married last year) she went back to school and became an ABA certified Paralegal, (she was pre-law in college) and now works for a downtown law firm. And finally got out of retail management altogether! :props:
(Although there, she doesn't make any more money (for now) but has a LOT better hours, some 20 per week actually with only a half day on Fridays.)
The kicker is.... since she's been in law she has turned down offers to get back into retail that would have grossed her $80K~$95K going in, yet turned them down because she's really really happy working 'lawyers hours'. :D

The thing is.... you have to constantly be strategically marketing yourself within your chosen environment these days to get ahead. Doesn't work like it used to, where you showed up, worked hard, paid your dues, and (hope) your bosses noticed along the way then constantly rewarded you. These days you MUST constantly look at how you position yourself, and what that position brings to the company that others may not. (Although it's a good chance they already do.) Your VP and his boss (and bosses) look at 'go getters', and as you've recently found out.... reward them. They also recognize and love the fact that they are paying you less. (Even if it seems to you like it might have just been an oversight, and you'll catch up "when they figure it out".)

The message that came your way in another post talking about HOW to address your salary, and WHAT would be the figure in mind for your particular job was spot on. As has been said, you can't go in saying "This guy makes this, that guy makes that, I don't make anything CLOSE". But what you CAN (and should) say is what would that position be offered to a new hire for? One with your experience (insert time on job here), with your education (if it indeeds matters, and especially if it's directly related to your field) with your report and sales numbers (insert analytics and/or all other pertinent data your company uses here), your ability to handle and manage people (insert your own background here)? You have to remove yourself here, put the figures down as if it were someone else, and be analytical about it. Nothing more, nothing less. You start saying how YOU do this and YOU do that and HE is this and HE isn't that and you'll be lucky the door doesn't hit ya' where the good Lord split ya'.

It simply cannot be put to him like you have an axe to grind, or that you've found out you're low man on the (pay) totem pole.:eek: (Yet he clearly already knows that.)
But when put to him/them/anyone you speak to about a new job in fact..... in terms of 'hiring' and how what YOU (as a new hire brings to that position) that relates to better, more efficient management, and it comes across that you are a team player, a team leader, and a dedicated manager.
 
OP WROTE: "I would be happy with $10,000 more a year. But i am willing to settle at 8k more.. If not, its job searching time for me! "

The BEST time to look for a job is when you HAVE a job.

It takes time to find a similar job...upwards of a year. That's how long it took me in my field. Even then, I had to change the type of work I was doing.

If I understand your situation, you are a contract worker for your firm to hire out to clients? And you were the "last one " to be brought into the office?

Hate to say it, but they've been "telling you something" for a while now...

Don't be lulled into a false sense of security just because you found 27 jobs to apply for; how many tens or hundreds of others in your field have applied for those same jobs?

Don't rely on the HR departments who posted those 27 jobs...NETWORK!

Find others who do what you do, peers you know who work for similar companies, and talk/network with them, ESPECIALLY if their firm is posting, BUT EVEN MORE SO if they're NOT advertising.

Good companies are ALWAYS looking for good workers, especially if they come recommended by an existing employee.

Good luck; I've been in similar shoes.


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^^ I took that sign as well. I was always hoping to settle in with the company for years, but looks like this wont be it.

I applied to 27..yes, 27 jobs in the last 2 days.. bring it! :)

I'm in the private/contract security field, if some were wondering.

I actually had to come to this prior to getting my raise. When I initially requested the raise I did not hear anything from anyone in my chain of command (manager, director, and CIO).

I finally got fed up with it to the point that I went job hunting and had an offer from a big player in the IT field that would effectively double my salary. The money was great but it was a contract job and I would be leaving various perks I had in my current location.

Needles to say when I requested another meeting I made it clear to them that I had another offer on the table and used that as leverage. Once they saw I was on the brink of leaving my CIO contacted my CFO and within 20 minutes they approved the raise I was seeking.

Having an Ace in your back pocket that is another opportunity is one of the strongest tactics you can use. If they don't want to give you what is fair, you don't want to stay with a company like that anyway as it shows they undervalue real talent and someone who does great work for them.

Good luck with this continued pursuit, I hope you get what you're looking for whether it's from your current employer or another.
 
Do you have kids? If not, bluff 'em with a letter of resignation. If they call your bluff, frig 'em.
 
Do you have kids? If not, bluff 'em with a letter of resignation. If they call your bluff, frig 'em.


No, no, NO!

Regardless of family situation, do NOT play chicken like that. In today's economy, where companies are piling more and more work in a stagnant or declining head count, finding a new job can take time.

This time acts as a red flag if it is "unemployed time". Besides kids, there is still rent/mortgages that are due.




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