I no longer use tire dressing on my car...

:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::xyxthumbs:I no longer use tire dressing on my car..

Mark..you are a great detailer...but I think I know what your problem is...you are supposed to use tire dressing on your TIRES...NOT your car!!!
 
bimmer325! said:
:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::xyxthumbs:I no longer use tire dressing on my car..

Mark..you are a great detailer...but I think I know what your problem is...you are supposed to use tire dressing on your TIRES...NOT your car!!!
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LMAO!! :laughing:

It's funny you say that, I thought the SAME thing after I posted it, but you all know what I mean.
 
evojoey said:
I had Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar Tires on My Z06 and hated them...
Switched to Nitto Invo's and never looked back

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Niccceeeeee!!! :dblthumb2:
 
I do think you can pick up more chicks with shiney tires though Mark.:laughing:
 
in my opinion, a full detail is not complete untill the tires are done. they dont have to be shiny but after awhile tires WILL start to turn brown, i know this cause i havent been using shine on my tires only because im waiting for the bodywork to get done. i personally think that shiny tires are what make a car pop even more when it's freshly done up. but then again everybody has their own preferences.
 
Ribs are indeed a pain!

If you use slightly more than normal dressing, it gets in between the ribs and splatters around when the tire rotates! :mad:
 
fabiolas4 said:
in my opinion, a full detail is not complete untill the tires are done. they dont have to be shiny but after awhile tires WILL start to turn brown, i know this cause i havent been using shine on my tires only because im waiting for the bodywork to get done. i personally think that shiny tires are what make a car pop even more when it's freshly done up. but then again everybody has their own preferences.
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If you don't use any tire dressing the tires won't turn brown. they will get dirty, but they will get dirty with dressing too. I agree on a customer car I would never dream of leaving a tire undressed, but on a personal car if the tires already look the way he likes them, I see no reason to dress them.

Oh and when I have cars with ribbed tires it make me happy that I spray on my tire dressing! Makes it very easy!
 
Not trying to persuade you back Mark (it's your car, do what you like), but have you tried Surf City Garage Beyond Black?

It looks very deep black, but it really has no gloss to it. Just a thought...

HOWEVER, with it being a water based product that is about as thin as water, it is a pain on the sidewall's of tires like you have. Makes me want to be like Dave and just use some spray on dressing when I have those tires.

I mention this because the last truck I had ran Goodyear Eagle RS-A's [I think]. They had that sidewalk and the SCG didn't reflect badly off of them, but it also didn't last NEARLY as long as on any other tire I have used it on.

All that said, just burn the tires off of it and go get some Michelin PS-2's. :D

DLB
 
Flannigan said:
If you don't use any tire dressing the tires won't turn brown. they will get dirty, but they will get dirty with dressing too. I agree on a customer car I would never dream of leaving a tire undressed, but on a personal car if the tires already look the way he likes them, I see no reason to dress them.

Oh and when I have cars with ribbed tires it make me happy that I spray on my tire dressing! Makes it very easy!
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The reason tires turn brown is because of rubber off-gassing they will brown either way but dressed it will hide this for the most part... The cheap silicone dressings will also turn them brown...

Flannigan - I do agree with the "if they look good already" comment and the "on a customer car" comment I have left a few customer cars natural and they always ask "why aren't my tires shiny?" I have to explain to them that I do not leave them shiny and then usually end up throwing some goop at them...

I use DP Tire Shine on the Z3's tires and the C4's tires On the Z I have Mich PS1's and the C4 I have Fulda Extreemos both have ribbing and I use dressing on both but the key to dressings on them is to let it sit for about 45 min then buff them... I know you know what your doing though Mark I don't notice much if any shine by doing the tires this way...
 
CrownKote said:
The reason tires turn brown is because of rubber off-gassing they will brown either way but dressed it will hide this for the most part... The cheap silicone dressings will also turn them brown...

Flannigan - I do agree with the "if they look good already" comment and the "on a customer car" comment I have left a few customer cars natural and they always ask "why aren't my tires shiny?" I have to explain to them that I do not leave them shiny and then usually end up throwing some goop at them...

I use DP Tire Shine on the Z3's tires and the C4's tires On the Z I have Mich PS1's and the C4 I have Fulda Extreemos both have ribbing and I use dressing on both but the key to dressings on them is to let it sit for about 45 min then buff them... I know you know what your doing though Mark I don't notice much if any shine by doing the tires this way...
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I honestly have not seen any tires turn brown without dressing, but obviously I don't see nearly as many cars as you do.

I like to use DP Tire Shine on al my customers cars. I cut it 1:1 and spray it on with a paint gun. Works GREAT! On my own car I use Ultima UTTG now, but thats too expensive to use on customers....lol. Not to mention like you, I get the "why aren't my tires shiny" questions sometimes. I tell them that the products I use leave a natural finish, but if they whine enough I'll spray some Meguiars Hot Shine on them just to keep them happy.
 
Flannigan said:
I honestly have not seen any tires turn brown without dressing, but obviously I don't see nearly as many cars as you do.

I like to use DP Tire Shine on al my customers cars. I cut it 1:1 and spray it on with a paint gun. Works GREAT! On my own car I use Ultima UTTG now, but thats too expensive to use on customers....lol. Not to mention like you, I get the "why aren't my tires shiny" questions sometimes. I tell them that the products I use leave a natural finish, but if they whine enough I'll spray some Meguiars Hot Shine on them just to keep them happy.
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Yeah I have had 3 cars in the last week that have come in with brown tires... They clean up nicely with some apc and a bucket of Dawn infused water and a scrub brush 2 of the cars had never seen dressing or any other protectant product at all ever IMHO and the other one has seen a coat of some Wal-Mart cheap goop twice a week for the last 4 years (so the owner said)...

I love to use the Megs Hot Shine when they want the "mirror finish" on the tires... lol...
 
richy said:
Actually not. I have been riding for over 25 years. Motorcycle tires are designed to go up on the sidewall in a turn whereas they are not on a car. You obviously don't want anything slippery on a tire surface, especially when you've got 'er leaned way over in a turn!!! You'd go down faster than Monika Lewinski.
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Totally agree...And I love the Monica Lewinski image!:laughing::laughing::laughing:
 
richy said:
Actually not. I have been riding for over 25 years. Motorcycle tires are designed to go up on the sidewall in a turn whereas they are not on a car. You obviously don't want anything slippery on a tire surface, especially when you've got 'er leaned way over in a turn!!! You'd go down faster than Monika Lewinski.
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Actually that is incorrect, a motorcycle never rides on the sidewall, it always rides on the contact patch which is curved. The sidewall is the part of the tire with the tire info written on it. It never touches the ground. Some people have "chicken strips" from not leaning enough but that is not the sidewall.

Obviously tire dressing isn't used on motorcycles because of the chance that some could get on the contact patch. I mentioned the other reason because I hadn't seen anyone write about it for cars and thought it was where this thread was going. I did some searching on Autogeek last night and it looks like the topic has come up before. Silicone (turns tires brown no outgassing) vs non-silicone based tire dressings.
 
I never used dressing on my tires for the first year i had them (before i discovered AG lol) and they still turned very brown. I cleaned them with Mother's Wheel and Tire Cleaner, you should have seen the brown liquid running off, it was as if my tires were bleeding goblin blood lol. Now i use Opti-Bond 1:1 on them. It makes them shiny at first and the ribbing looks annoying in the sun, but within 24 hours it becomes matte and the ribbing is no longer hologram-y.
 
in all the yrs ive been using tire shines, they've only gotten brown if i used excess amounts from what ive experimented with. personally i enjoy the armorall with the pad, and no touch series is also good too. no touch also has a good tire spray for those who dont like shiny tires. i prefer seriously wet though. the only catch is to wait for no wind so it doesnt go around on the paint. if it does, i use the detail spray to go back and clean it. no biggie for me.

fyi also: i like to use tire spray on plastic trim like the grey bottoms of jeeps, cowls where the defrost comes out where the wipers are, and molding strips. they pop very nicely and if you dont use excess amounts and let dry correctly it wont attract dust/dirt when driving. tires on the other hand, ya they gotta be touched up but ya gotta take the good with the bad imo.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
I'm very much aware of not just buying a tire on looks, thanks for looking out, though. ;) The F1's on the car right now grip well, but they're noisy as heck, tramline, and ride very rough. I know I'm not driving a Lexus, but there's some better options out there like the Michelin PS2's.
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Hi Mark. We haven't talked in a while, so here goes...Hope you don't mind. :)

According to tire manufacturers....Serrated (ribbed) sidewalled tires are supposed to evoke the emotions/look of: sleekness and performance. Yeah, right! Like you, to me they evoke the emotional rollercoaster of to "dress or not to dress"---to shine or not to shine, so to speak. It has been my experience though, that, often, due to the gleam from clean chrome wheels, such as you always have, reflecting off these serrations on the sidewalls, that even undressed, these tires will emit a little shine.

IMO...If you don't dress these tires on your Corvette:
-The blooming (browning) that's caused by the tire manufactures' inclusion of antiozonants during the manufacturing process, will be less noticable on serrated sidewalled tires and should be easily washed away during your cleaning cycle; and, by the time these tires have reached the end of their life cycle, these antiozonants (being somewhat less as a presence because of the aspect ratio of low-profile tires) should be depleted anyway.
-You may have more brake dust creeping into those ribbed areas...but again, removal should be a breeze due to your cleaning cycles.

While the width (contact patch) is a factor in tramlining/rough-riding with these low-profile tires, the strength(#of plys)/size of the sidewall/shoulder block also comes into play. As you know, run-flats have a harder/stronger sidewall/shoulder block vs. the non run-flats. [How much stronger, though?]. Some tires with these wide contact patch areas tramline more than others...they'll all tramline more as the tread wears.

As far as the noisiness...In my case, due to the exhaust system, I would'nt hear the "tire-noisiness" on mine even if the tires were "big ol' knobby off-road ones". But that's just me. :D
{If someone is close enough to hear my tire noise, then it's either my fault, or the speedometer needs recalibrated}

I know that tire safety, and not the costs associated with having ones mind-at ease, is uppermost in your mind.....Since Michelin PS2's, (and other tire manufacturers), come in either run-flat or non run-flat...Which ones are you leaning towards? My preferrence leans towards tires with the (Y) speed rating...and I don't want to carry around a "fix-a-flat" kit. :)

Note: I know, that you already know, all the above...I just enjoy having a good, concise, gab-session at times; that, and using a little bandwidth. LOL

Nice talking with you again!

Bob
 
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