If a car is black, and they don't want to polish it, I prefer not to touch it....

akimel said:
How about using an AIO cleaner wax that will both clean the paint and hide some of the swirls? At least you'll feel better about the car. :) AutoGlym's Super Resin Polish immediately comes to mind.
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Hey that's my car in your profile ! :dblthumb2:
 
akimel said:
:) AutoGlym's Super Resin Polish immediately comes to mind.
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If the car has a lot of embedded contaminants, will SRP remove any of it? I'm trying to avoid he clay step for this black car, but if it's really needed, I'll do it. Also, what color pad would you suggest using with SRP on a "daily driver"? How does SRP compare to D151? :xyxthumbs:
 
I have a tub of Meg's Gold Class paste wax for jobs like this. When I get a client with any colored car that doesn't want to spend money for anything more than a wash and wax I do exactly that, wash and wax. The GC hides swirls nicely and it is cheap. On jobs like this clean and shiny is the issue, durability is not.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
If the car has a lot of embedded contaminants, will SRP remove any of it? I'm trying to avoid he clay step for this black car, but if it's really needed, I'll do it. Also, what color pad would you suggest using with SRP on a "daily driver"? How does SRP compare to D151? :xyxthumbs:
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SRP will not remove all of the contaminants, but you will notice a sizable difference (as it is a mild chemical cleaner) in the feel of the paint when you run your hand on it before and after.

Depending on the cars I do and the budget, I skip the clay step and do SRP with LC white pad; *note the heretic ways here*. Expect to use 2-3 pads depending on the car as they will be black by the time you're done.

If you have the time & budget, however; I strongly suggest you do a quick clay first, then SRP. :dblthumb2:

I have to agree with tuscarora dave. GC or NXT2.0 are perfect candidates as they tend to fill imperfections.
 
SilverJag said:
SRP will not remove all of the contaminants, but you will notice a sizable difference (as it is a mild chemical cleaner) in the feel of the paint when you run your hand on it before and after.

Depending on the cars I do and the budget, I skip the clay step and do SRP with LC white pad; *note the heretic ways here*. Expect to use 2-3 pads depending on the car as they will be black by the time you're done.

If you have the time & budget, however; I strongly suggest you do a quick clay first, then SRP. :dblthumb2:

I have to agree with tuscarora dave. GC or NXT2.0 are perfect candidates as they tend to fill imperfections.
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Thanks! :dblthumb2:
 
Perhaps you could do a small test area to show them just how good it will look if polished! polish the hood right below windshield about a foot wide and the length of the windshield across. This will be a 15/85 shot showing the difference and the area will not look to out of place.. hmmmm or would it?
 
I usually use Optimum Poli-Seal on a white pad at speed 5 or 6 on my flex 3401... I then top it with Optimum car wax.Most customers are pleasantly surprised with the results for the money they payed
 
i don`t offer claybar treatment for dark colors. only wash and wax , or 1 step polish
 
We get a similar response from people every day, not wanting to get certain things corrected. However we understand that most people are on a tight budget and find it hard to get everything they need all at once.
 
Cosmin said:
period!
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Why is it that you don't clay bar or use multiple steps on dark cars period? Some darker colored daily driver cars could certainly benefit from a clay bar before a 1 step. Some darker colored cars may also be worthy of a multiple step process with further correction.
 
How is XMT360 compared to poli-seal?

I was planning to use it on a relative's silver Honda civic(as he isnt much of a detailing buff)

+ does poli-seal fill or actually correct?
 
zliegen said:
Why is it that you don't clay bar or use multiple steps on dark cars period? Some darker colored daily driver cars could certainly benefit from a clay bar before a 1 step. Some darker colored cars may also be worthy of a multiple step process with further correction.
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u got it wrong , i use multiple steps(polish)on black , but i do not offer clay package for dark colors if polish steps are not included. period !

why?
if i schedule a car with soft black paint for claybar only and claybar may marr the finish the car will look worse. ( even if used a lot of quick detailer and a fine clay)
so i better don`t schedule anything like that and offer wash and wax , or polish package , no claybar as individual package.
when polish is included i do clay black cars.
i hope my message is more clear now. ;)
 
Cosmin said:
u got it wrong , i use multiple steps(polish)on black , but i do not offer clay package for dark colors if polish steps are not included. period !

why?
if i schedule a car with soft black paint for claybar only and claybar may marr the finish the car will look worse. ( even if used a lot of quick detailer and a fine clay)
so i better don`t schedule anything like that and offer wash and wax , or polish package , no claybar as individual package.
when polish is included i do clay black cars.
i hope my message is more clear now. ;)
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Thanks for clarifying :), the way you wrote it at first made it sound like you never clay bar or do multiple step corrections on dark paint. Seemed rather extreme, not clay-baring before a wash&wax makes sense though.
 
i tried polished a 13yr old black matalic paint (mercedes benz SLK roadster)

i clayed the paint
Lake country polishing pad + M205
wax with NXT2.0

yet disappointed wif the result which comes with swirls
though the paint regain its gloss back
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
I've done 2 black daily drivers recently and they didn't want polishing. I clearly told them they needed it, showed them why, but they didn't want to pay. So, I washed, clayed, and waxed. Honestly, as a result of the paint being more shiny, the swirls were even more noticeable! That really bugs me!

With lighter colors or some metallic colors, you can get away with a wash, clay, and wax, but with black, I'm not sure I want to work with anymore unless they want polishing. Anyone feel this way?
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Mark, very few of the masses have the passion we Geeks do for a perfect finish. Do your best and take their $$. Otherwise someone else will and they will probably induce more swirls. Dont force your values on your clients will go elsewhere. The Client is always right!
 
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