:cheers: I don't know for a fact, but if it does they have to be tiny. I have never seen any really correction from these, just your typical cleaning and super light swirl removal like you would expect from P21s or any other normal paint cleaner. Also the durability is very lacking. IMO this is on the bottom of the list when it comes to AIO's and Cleaner Waxes in almost all categories.I thought the same thing before I read your response.rops:
Does Meg's Cleaner wax even have any abrasives?
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MINI Coopers have a black porous trim around the roof that easily get stained with wax. I have tried differents products including Griot's Dried-On wax remover with no success. The best product that work for me is Optimum Power Clean APC. Full strength in a rag will easily remove any old dry wax on your black trim.:xyxthumbs:
IMO...This is a very good Mike Phillips article on: Cleaner-waxes and AIO's
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...erence-between-cleaner-wax-finishing-wax.html
Bob
Read the article Bob posted a link to above.
I think your opinion fits the article nicely.
Mr. Phillips can correct me if I am wrong, but I think you will find that he wrote the label for Meguiar's Cleaner Wax, as well as the labels for a large majority of their products.
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Dave,
Could you type out the specific big differences between an AIO and a Cleaner/Wax?
Even create an article that could be referenced by everyone into the future...
Looking forward to your definitions...
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Much of the line was created before I was born! :laughing:
I was the Corporate Writer for Meguiar's from 2002 to 2003, after that I moved into the Training department and started teaching the classes, in 2004 I brought up MeguiarsOnline.com
Throughout that time I continued to write for the company but while I worked in the Training Department.
Here's the first Meguiar's product I used around 1976 or 1977. The can and box are in my collection, I think the bottle belongs to Barry Meguiar, I just took a picture of it to share with the Internet world.
Car Cleaner Wax - Liquid
Car Cleaner Wax - Paste
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No doubt about that, the cool thing about the discussion forums is anyone can write an article and share their opinions or thoughts and then everyone can dissect what they write, challenge it or agree with it. Been doing it for years, that's how I learned what I call defensive writing... if I put it up on the forum you can be sure I've already dissected and made 100% for sure I can defend it.
That's why I love the heading to this section of my how-to articles...
Words mean things... just ask any Lawyer...
Word Definitions - Compounds, Polishes, Glazes, Paint Cleaners and Waxes
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If a product,
- Cleans the paint (to some degree, a little or a lot, doesn't matter)
- Polishes the paint (makes it more clear, smooth and shiny than before you used it)
- Protects the paint (somehow magically removes impurities but at the same times leaves some type of protection ingredients behind on the surface)
Then the product is an all-in-one or AIO product.
AIO and Cleaner/Wax or Cleaner/Sealant or Cleaner Hybrid, whatever WORDS you want to use to describe what the product is are the same category of products just different wording to describe them.
If a products cleans, polishes and protects it's an all-in-one product or generically a cleaner/wax.
And in this article, I encourage people new to detailing cars for money to consider using cleaner/waxes for their customers paying to have daily drivers detailed.
A few tips on starting a part-time detailing business
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I thought cleaner waxes are chemical cleaners, while most AIO's contain abrasives for defect removal.
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I've never read that anywhere but that doesn't mean it's not a fact. Do you remember any website or discussion forum where you might have read definitions for these two terms?
What about Klasse AIO, does it contain abrasives? It has the letters AIO and the words All-In-One right on the label. I've always read it was a chemical cleaner only?
Klasse ALL-IN-ONE Polish
Mark you're a pretty good writer maybe you should consider writing definitions for the terms and then write an article to support your definitions and thoughts on the topic..
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Ya know Mike, it was more of just a generalization about a cleaner wax using a chemical cleaner and an AIO using abrasives. You're 100% correct about Klasse AIO using NO abrasives. This is a good thread. :dblthumb2:I've never read that anywhere but that doesn't mean it's not a fact. Do you remember any website or discussion forum where you might have read definitions for these two terms?
What about Klasse AIO, does it contain abrasives? It has the letters AIO and the words All-In-One right on the label. I've always read it was a chemical cleaner only?
Klasse ALL-IN-ONE Polish
Mark you're a pretty good writer maybe you should consider writing definitions for the terms and then write an article to support your definitions and thoughts on the topic..
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I agree, to me cleaner/waxes or call them AIO's, it's a very general category of products that clean, polish and protect whether they contain only chemical cleaners or only abrasives.
Actually, most cleaner waxes (which includes the term AIO), that contain abrasives also contain some type of chemical cleaning action also even if it's just some type of solvent used as a carrying agent.
Dave said he thought there were big differences and I'm open to new ideas and learning new information all the time so I'm open to hearing what the differences are.
To me the only differences are,
- Chemical cleaning only products.
- Products that use abrasives and then they're either a light, medium or aggressive in their cleaning/cutting action.
But again... open to other differences... I covered the topic of "types of protection ingredients" in my article here,
The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax
Subtitle: How To Choose The Right Wax or Paint Sealant for your Detailing Project
I actually really like cleaner/waxes and have a pretty good story about old Megs Cleaner/Wax in the maroon bottle...
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Patiently waiting
Has to do with a flawless black finish on a old, old guy's Model A...
No time today to type out a story, too busy for Detail Fest...
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I'm sure it will keep, Mike.
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Plus when using a liquid, the "liquid" portions of the wax, which includes cleaning agents and usually some type of solvents work better to start dissolving and loosening any films, oxidation or other embedded impurities off and out of the paint.
There are paste cleaner/waxes and even some goopy cleaner/waxes and in most cases a liquid will go to work faster and more efficiently plus they are easier to apply by machine no matter what the machine.