Introducing the MOST CONCENTRATED waterless wash - by BLACKFIRE

So excited to see new products launch in 2015 year :)
My favorite so far is Meguiars D114, smell great and wash media stays clean.
Can't wait to see others reviewing this new product.
 
I just placed my order Nick, thanks for the heads up on this, looking forward to trying it. Now I'm going to do a BF waterless wash to use up some of my old stuff, LOL!
 
My order is due to arrive this Thursday and it's supposed to be 50 on Sunday and I should be able to use this product and do a review a day or two later.

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could I premix and store the entire contents in one of these that i have sitting useless:
Plastic Drum - 15 Gallon, Closed Top, Blue S-17007 - Uline.

I was thinking of setting it on blocks and putting a tap on the lower part to dispense. Deluted down to a rinseless, I wash one car once or twice a week whether it needs it or not. :)
Bad or useless idea? Feed back please
 
Klasse Act said:
My order is due to arrive this Thursday and it's supposed to be 50 on Sunday and I should be able to use this product and do a review a day or two later.

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Looking forward to your review!

KB in MD said:
could I premix and store the entire contents in one of these that i have sitting useless:
Plastic Drum - 15 Gallon, Closed Top, Blue S-17007 - Uline.

I was thinking of setting it on blocks and putting a tap on the lower part to dispense. Deluted down to a rinseless, I wash one car once or twice a week whether it needs it or not. :)
Bad or useless idea? Feed back please
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If you plan on pre-mixing it and storing it in large quantities, I would recommend using filtered water. Otherwise, mix and use within a week or two for best results.
 
For FL public (not well) water, filtered or distilled water or is tap water ok?
 
tenblade2001 said:
Very interested in the product, but I am wondering if the "pressure bottle" really that much better than a normal (good quality) spray bottle. I'm not trying to flame the product, just wondering.
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I think it's a much easier alternative than all that hand squeezing. ;)

FWIW, Lowes or Home Depot will have a 51oz brass nozzle version for $8.00. :D

FUNX725 said:
I think I'll just call it:
"The Meguiar's D114 Effect!" :D

Sure can...and I have done so.
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:iagree:WITH :whs: :dblthumb2:

I can't make the math work @ 1:48 when I've been doing 1:128 (minimum) and (as Bob stated) as far as 1:256. I'll generally go in the middle, either 128 or 192.

The dilution ratio of D114 is basically 12 ML for 51 ounces of water. (It's actually 11.76 but who's counting.) ;)

Plus.... D114 makes an excellent "Panel Wipe Solution" (think make your own Eraser) when combined with up to 30% alcohol. :props:
 
I did 2 panels on a dirty 99' WS6 using the new and improved BF waterless wash and I can report back to the group that this product just gets the job done 🇺🇸

Whether your looking to try waterless for the first time of wanting to try a different one, look no further than this product which makes 6 gallons for $25.00 👍

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RTexasF said:
I must be honest. At that ratio I can only consider this for light dust. Any actual dirt? No Way when diluted that much. No offence meant at all. It's a drop in a bucket and I question it severely. Show us more with a really dirty car. Not one that requires a hand wash but one capable of this product in this dilution.
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Do you realize that most water based products are made from a concentrate that has an even higher dilution ratio than 1:48 when mixed at the manufacturer. They do this for storage purposes. Just ask any re-label manufacturers. They get a super high concentrate, then mix a giant batch of the concentrate with water (from as small as a 55 gallon container to as large as a 330 gallon tote).

Because the dilution ratio is 1:48 it does not relate to how potent the final product is.
 
If someone doesn't feel good about the ratio why not cut it in half, still makes 3 gallons. Honestly though, how many of us let our car get that dirty anyways and if so, we're hitting the quarter wash before hand.

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cardaddy said:
I think it's a much easier alternative than all that hand squeezing. ;)

FWIW, Lowes or Home Depot will have a 51oz brass nozzle version for $8.00. :D


:iagree:WITH :whs: :dblthumb2:

I can't make the math work @ 1:48 when I've been doing 1:128 (minimum) and (as Bob stated) as far as 1:256. I'll generally go in the middle, either 128 or 192.

The dilution ratio of D114 is basically 12 ML for 51 ounces of water. (It's actually 11.76 but who's counting.) ;)

Plus.... D114 makes an excellent "Panel Wipe Solution" (think make your own Eraser) when combined with up to 30% alcohol. :props:
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Wait a minute, so are you and Bob both stating you are using D114 as a waterless wash at 1:128, and not a rinseless wash?

I thought 1:128 was a heavily soiled rinseless dilution, not waterless. Rinseless being defined as the whole towel is drenched in solution and the panel may/may not be pretreated with same dilution from sprayer, whereas waterless being defined as spraying the panel with the solution and wiping with a dry or lightly damp towel.

Those are two very different methods in my mind. You're stating a 1:128 dilution for waterless washing is possible with D114?

BTW, what's your exact recipe for your homemade Eraser brew?
 
aim4squirrels said:
Wait a minute, so are you and Bob both stating you are using D114 as a waterless wash at 1:128, and not a rinseless wash?
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Yes...I definitely do. :props:
There's even precedence.

TO WIT:

Originally Posted by Michael Stoops

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"We recommend D114 as a rinseless wash with a dilution ratio of 1 ounce to two gallons of water.

If you're going to use it as a waterless wash you should at least double that ratio (1 ounce per gallon).

As a clay lube, the standard dilution ratio works quite well."[unquote]

Michael Stoops
Internet Technical Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.
(800) 854-8073 xt 3875
[email protected]
______________________________________________

aim4squirrels said:
I thought 1:128 was a heavily soiled rinseless dilution, not waterless.

Rinseless being defined as the whole towel is drenched in solution and the panel may/may not be pretreated with same dilution from sprayer,

whereas waterless being defined as spraying the panel with the solution and wiping with a dry or lightly damp towel.

Those are two very different methods in my mind. You're stating a 1:128 dilution for waterless washing is possible with D114?
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Does anyone still perform so strictly-structured RWs/WWs?

Nowadays:
There are so many variations/methods
to RW/WW vehicles...that I've lost count!
(This includes pre-treating panels, PW, Coin-op wands, etc.)

Different ways of skinning cats, comes to mind.


Bob
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aim4squirrels said:
Wait a minute, so are you and Bob both stating you are using D114 as a waterless wash at 1:128, and not a rinseless wash?

I thought 1:128 was a heavily soiled rinseless dilution, not waterless. Rinseless being defined as the whole towel is drenched in solution and the panel may/may not be pretreated with same dilution from sprayer, whereas waterless being defined as spraying the panel with the solution and wiping with a dry or lightly damp towel.

Those are two very different methods in my mind. You're stating a 1:128 dilution for waterless washing is possible with D114?

BTW, what's your exact recipe for your homemade Eraser brew?
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I generally don't do waterless. That's QD though, right? ;) I have a ton of products that I can do QD with, mostly some sort of polymer spray/spray wax type product.

At 128:1 is as strong as I've ever used it, which is why I mentioned all the way up to 256:1. ;)

Over on MOL there have been discussions of using it straight, or up to 8:1 saying it could indeed strip LSP (be that wax, sealant, etc.). I've never used it that strong, never. But when comparing Eraser to it, looking at what.... 30% alcohol solution, then it's possible to figure that somewhere, either 128/156/192 would be a decent solution to mix with alcohol and make a panel wipe. I've tried it at 192, but generally go in the middle.

For figuring the alcohol solution I use this calculator. Go to the second box and just change the drop down(s) to ounces. So if you want to make 36oz of 30% alcohol solution using 91% alcohol you'd use 11.868 ounces of alcohol and 24.132 ounces of water. (In this instance the water quotient would be your D114 solution.)

Whether or not it's exactly the same as Eraser, who knows (not a chemist). But being as Meguiar's and everyone at Autogeek has said it both cleans, AND it leaves nothing behind it's a fair assumption that once you add the alcohol you're getting darned close. ;)

I have noticed that the stronger D114 is, if you allow it to dry, the worse it spots.

I've used Eraser by itself with Cquartz, used the D114 mixture with everything else, including Cquartz. That being said, if the specific coating has some sort of 'pre' product then I will also use that. Although I've never seen any coating failure due specifically to the 'mixture'. Have one customer that never bothered to 'boost' his PBL and part of his was cleaned only with the 'mixture', the rest with the PBL paint cleansing product. You couldn't tell via water beading which was which 6 months down the road. The only thing he's ever used is Megs Ultimate spray when drying and it's held up well.

(OTOH..... His 1 year period was last November and now it's so swirled from improper washing and keeping it dirty for months on end that the whole thing needs polishing again.)
 
FUNX725 said:
Yes...I definitely do. :props:
There's even precedence.

TO WIT:

Originally Posted by Michael Stoops

:
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"We recommend D114 as a rinseless wash with a dilution ratio of 1 ounce to two gallons of water.

If you're going to use it as a waterless wash you should at least double that ratio (1 ounce per gallon).

As a clay lube, the standard dilution ratio works quite well."[unquote]

Michael Stoops
Internet Technical Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.
(800) 854-8073 xt 3875
[email protected]
______________________________________________


Does anyone still perform so strictly-structured RWs/WWs?

Nowadays:
There are so many variations/methods
to RW/WW vehicles...that I've lost count!
(This includes pre-treating panels, PW, Coin-op wands, etc.)

Different ways of skinning cats, comes to mind.


Bob
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Thanks for that info. And you too, cardaddy.

My only reason for adding a structure so rigid to the definition is that I personally have a notion that rinseless and waterless washes are different types of washes (that could have very different risks to induce swirls on to the paint). Those two terms get used very interchangeably on forum to the point that I can't always differentiate which type of wash is getting spoken about. Hence, I set up a parameter to have an answer tailored to my notion of a waterless and rinseless wash.

As to the notion of a QD, good gracious that's a whole other can of worms. I was always under the impression that a QD was only for very light dusting, fingerprint smudges, etc. Basically, you've washed the car at home, andyouwant to really freshen it up at the car show five minutes from the house. Or, you finished the car for the client last night, and you want to knock the dust off it just before he picks it up in the morning.

But then here we go with different dilution ratios for rinseless wash products doubling for QD duty (and sometimes even waterless) where the QD is a much higher ratio of product to water than the rinseless wash concentrations. My thoughts on that is using it like a traditional QD (spritz panel with QD, and wipe with dry towel) is similar to a waterless wash, save the waterless wash is being used on a panel much dirtier than would be considered safe for a QD.

So as far as concentration of product to water:

Waterless>QD>Rinseless

But as far as safety for use on dirty cars:

Rinseless>waterless>QD.
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Pinnacle WW with carnauba works well as a QD. I'm still a 2 bucket guy, but if it is very light dirt I'll use Pinnacle WW, but I always get the feeling I'm scratching my car. Just OCD.
 
This new formula of BF WW is going to get a proper test this Saturday as it rained yesterday, raining today as well as tomorrow, so Saturday I'll have the time to take the car outside and use it on a properly dirty car.

Stay tuned, I'm going to take pics when I do this too :Picture:
 
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