Jeweling wax

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I would like to use one of the jeweling wax’s for the
fine abrasive. I think the abrasive is finer than a
finishing polish. Is this correct? However, I want to
use Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 over the
jeweling wax will this work or will the wax stop the
Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 from adhering
to the paint?


This is the product I am referring to:
Pinnacle Souveran Jeweling Wax
Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish
Thank,
Jim
 
I think that's a very good combo. Don't worry about bonding, not a real issue.

See my article here,


Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding


Sheldon explaining Quantum Physics to Penny on the Big Bang Theory
molculesbonding.jpg




:)
 
Mike is the abrasive in the jeweling
wax finer than that of the finishing
polish?

Thanks
Jim
 
Jim w said:
Mike is the abrasive in the jeweling
wax finer than that of the finishing
polish?
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While you wait for Mike’s response, I’m almost positive that the abrasives in the Jeweling Wax are equivalent to the Finishing Polish.
 
acuRAS82 Thank you so much, some times it's
just so hard to get the facts about this stuff.

Thanks
Jim
 
No problem, I recall discussion about this when the Jeweling Wax came out last year.
 
Jim w said:
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I can't always get specifics for ingredients myself. But for sure the cut would be equivalent to fine cut polish, possibly an ultra fine cut polish.

In my book, The Complete Guide to a Show Car Shine, I state that ANY brand of compound or polish could be placed into one of 4 categorizes, I think it's on page 98? I don't know, I'm working from home today after being injured at the Texas Roadshow Class and don't actually have a copy of my own book at the house.

Here are the categories,


  1. Aggressive or Course
  2. Medium Cut
  3. Fine Cut
  4. Ultra Fine Cut


Note: RUPES introduced their products with the above verbiage AFTER I wrote my book and I've always given them due credit for adding these words to their product label to make it easier for the unwashed masses to know what the heck was in the bottle as the flowery names they gave their products and many companies give their products don't mean anything and in my opinion are a tick on the silly side.


But to your question, the Pinnacle Jeweling Wax would fit into the Fine Cut group for sure. You need a certain level of cutting power to remove defects while not being to aggressive to finish out AS a jeweling wax.

For those reading this into the future I coined the term Jeweling Wax as a new category of car detailing products. Google the words Jeweling Wax Definition Mike Phillips - that would be the article and the date of that article as to where this term was added to this industry.

And what I wrote in that article was that some cleaner/waxes, or AIOs, (same thing), work too good to be LUMPED together.

For example, Nu Finish is a one step cleaner/wax, (technically a cleaner/sealant). But if you machine apply this product to a clear coated black car you will NOT get the same results that you will get with Pinnacle Jeweling Wax.

Thus it's simply not right or fair to lump true jeweling waxes together with the hundreds of cleaner/waxes, AIOs and cleaner/sealants on the market.


Make sense?


:)
 
Also for those reading this into the future...

Here's the link to my recent review of the new RUPES BigFoot 21 Mark III


Review: RUPES Mark III BigFoot 21 Polisher by Mike Phillips


I detailed this 2014 Corvette Stingray using ONLY the Pinnacle Jeweling Wax. Look at the results.


Yancy and I shot a video and that car was in the garage for about a week. The time it was in the garage we had a lot of people visit Autogeek and as a part of visiting Autogeek often times they are given a tour that includes the garage. I had multiple people ask me,


What ceramic coating did you use on the red Corvette?



I would then share I used Pinnacle Jeweling Wax.


The car looks just as good in person as it does in the pictures. Also - LOVED the newest version of the BigFoot 21. FWIW



:)
 
Hey, Mike. Thanks for coming back. I looked
in my book of yours In the section on
compounds, wax, and sealers. Yes, there
is a brake down of compound medium
cut and finishing polish. Thanks again.


Jim
 
I used BF one step a month ago on my black Miata. Really like the way it turned out. Would you consider it to be a jeweling wax similar to the Pinnacle jeweling wax.
 
blkmiata said:
I used BF one step a month ago on my black Miata. Really like the way it turned out.

Would you consider it to be a jeweling wax similar to the Pinnacle jeweling wax.
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I've seen first hand the same results but with better correction.

While not labeled a jeweling wax as it's targeted towards professional detailers, it certainly delivers like a jeweling wax.


If I had lightly swirled car, like the 2014 Corvette or a show car in very good condition, I would tend to go with the Pinnacle Jeweling Wax. If fact I have numerous write-ups showing this exact thing.


As normal, paint hardness is always a unknown factor and pad choice, tool choice and even technique are factors that impact product results.


For example pads - I'd say from experience answering questions all over the detailing world, most people don't use enough pads when buffing out a car with any product.



:)
 
Thanks for the reply. I’m a rank beginner using machine (Griot’s) for waxing. Keeping in mind we are talking about a small two seat convertible I used five Lake Country 5.5” white CCS pads. Thinking next time I’ll use green or blue pads. We’ll see.
 
IMO a "jeweling" product should be more fine then a finish polish otherwise it's just in the fine category. The whole point for jeweling is to be "ultrafine".
 
fightnews said:
IMO a "jeweling" product should be more fine then a finish polish otherwise it's just in the fine category. The whole point for jeweling is to be "ultrafine".
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I think PBMG reps would agree but also point out that the way the abrasives breakdown in Advanced Finishing Polish (and therefore Jeweling Wax too) makes it suitable as an ultra fine polish when used that way.
 
fightnews said:
IMO a "jeweling" product should be more fine then a finish polish otherwise it's just in the fine category. The whole point for jeweling is to be "ultrafine".
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I see what your saying and it made me thin???

So I went to Skynet and typed in the below tobjog my memory as to what I wrote,

Jeweling Wax Definition Mike Phillips


Here’s the link to my article

Jeweling Wax - Definition


And I think explained it in detail including the topic of fine and ultra fine cutting ability.

Anyone really interested can click the link above. Also - there’s no rule or law stopping anyone else from “writing” how-to articles including coming up with new terms and their definitions for our industry. Just want to point this out for anyone that truly feels passionate about this craft.

For me it comes naturally, I don’t try, I just do.

But I would love to think others are inspired enough to the point as to just do it.


:)
 
blkmiata said:
Thanks for the reply. I’m a rank beginner using machine (Griot’s) for waxing. Keeping in mind we are talking about a small two seat convertible I used five Lake Country 5.5” white CCS pads. T
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Copy that, I've detailed a number of classic Miatas in my career, super simple cars to machine buff. Be careful around the hard molding line on the rear veiw mirrors, if memory serves me correctly, this area can be buffed through or burned-through very easily.

I actually have a Mazda Miata/Barry Meguiar story I should type up sometime. It was when I took a red and black Miata and taped them down the middle and then only buffed out one side of each car and then put them on display at a Miata Club Car Show the next day.

I did a number of these half-and-half before and after demonstrations in my life. Always a lot of work and from memory, never worth it.


:)
 
Mike, you hit the nail on the head when you
spoke about fine abrasive and ultra fine abrasive.
That is what I was thinking about when I asked
if jeweling wax is finer then finishing polish.
Thank you for sharing your hard earned knowledge
with us all.
Jim
 
Jim w said:
Mike, you hit the nail on the head when you
spoke about fine abrasive and ultra fine abrasive.
That is what I was thinking about when I asked
if jeweling wax is finer then finishing polish.
Thank you for sharing your hard earned knowledge
with us all.
Jim
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What was the answer? Was I wrong about them sharing abrasive technology?
 
(I can't always get specifics for ingredients myself. But for sure the cut would be equivalent to fine cut polish, possibly an ultra fine cut polish.)

acuRAS82. I think Mike’s answer above is leaning more to a
fine finishing polishing cut. So yes, your post #4 is right on.
Sorry, had to look back to the start.

JIM
 
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