jo pa....fired!

[Mulligan]

Last time I checked you can still be wrong and not violate any laws. When Joe, himself, publicly states "I should have done more" it's an admission. It may not be an admission of criminal wrongdoing, but it's an admission of at least a lapse in moral and social responsibility. He certainly wasn't quoted as saying "I did everything I could possibly do."

I also can't help but be reminded of the ending of the film "A Few Good Men." That may shed some light on rules versus morals.

It was entirely appropriate for Joe to get fired.

 

[theamcguy]

Seriously AMCGUY? I don't have time to find it again but there was one tid bit that stated he was required by law to inform authorities of wrong doings involving children. As far as the crime the Grand Jury indicted Sandusky on 8 counts, that's when the Shiznit hit the fan for JoePa. He's not the only one but he is repsonsible for the actions of those under his jurisdiction and he allowed Sandusky to use PSU facilities when not an employee for the purpose of his foundation, He goes down just like the those above him. PSU simply made a move to distance themselves once the lawsuits start.
I will give you it sucks for him and he really seems like a stand up guy, have frineds that live in the state college area and they feel he's up for sainthood but damn the whole thing stinks.
I still say MrCreary should bare the brunt as well as he should have escalated the issue/lack of response but supposedly he was afraid of Joe's sphere of influence on his career, paraphrased quote I read yesterday.

Please find that tidbit. I want to see the law in black and white that says you are required by law to report wrong doings to children that you did not personally witness nor have proof that they occurred. The law was written to allow teachers, medical workers, etc that have see marks, bruises etc and suspect wrong doing to report it. But hearing about an event that you did not witness is not the same thing. If your neighbor told you that another guy up the street was mistreating his children but you did not witness it nor did not see any proof in like bruises etc would you report it and risk a lawsuit?

 

[Flannigan]

Please find that tidbit. I want to see the law in black and white that says you are required by law to report wrong doings to children that you did not personally witness nor have proof that they occurred. The law was written to allow teachers, medical workers, etc that have see marks, bruises etc and suspect wrong doing to report it. But hearing about an event that you did not witness is not the same thing. If your neighbor told you that another guy up the street was mistreating his children but you did not witness it nor did not see any proof in like bruises etc would you report it and risk a lawsuit?

In a f*cking second. If there is even a 0.001% chance that it will save a child from being abused, I would take that risk. Obviously you don't have the same feelings, and THAT is why things like this happen all the time. People think it's not their problem...makes me sick.

 

[theamcguy]

People defending Joe are just as bad as Joe. If the CHILD RAPIST stole something thats one thing, when it gets to RAPING A CHILD any accusation should be dealt with severely. If someone told me my best friend (or former co-worker in this case) was seen RAPING A CHILD I would surly go to the authorities. While Joe may have done nothing illegal he surly did not do the morally appropriate thing in this case. He should should be held accountable for allowing a predator to continue to abuse and ruin the lives of children for over a decade.

How can you possibly even attempt to defend someone who thought it was ok to not pursue punishment for someone abusing children? I don't get that at all...

Also if he didn't go to the cops at first, he should have when he saw nothing was being done. He is a soul-less asshole, and deserves everything he gets, and then some.

First of all read my post, Joe was not told the child was raped, he was told that there was inappropriate behavior between the former coach and a young boy. It was not until 9 years later that Joe learned the boy was sodomized. Big difference. The accuser did not give all of the details, the accuser may not of had all the details. We have no idea what the grad student saw only that both Joe and the grad student tell the same story in that Joe was told only inappropriate behavior was observed. The victim filled in the blanks.

 

[Flannigan]

First of all read my post, Joe was not told the child was raped, he was told that there was inappropriate behavior between the former coach and a young boy. It was not until 9 years later that Joe learned the boy was sodomized. Big difference. The accuser did not give all of the details, the accuser may not of had all the details. We have no idea what the grad student saw only that both Joe and the grad student tell the same story in that Joe was told only inappropriate behavior was observed. The victim filled in the blanks.

I read the entire grand jury testimony that was published. I know what went on. If Joe didn't go to the cops first, he should have when his superior did nothing. He was wrong, and deserves to be fired and then some.

 

[FUNX650]

Everyone involved in covering up the rape of children should be arrested and then fried.

:iagree: No one, regardless of their station in life, while they live upon this earth, should be allowed to escape detection and punishment for the most heinous of crimes against humanity.

Just thinking out loud.... I wish there would be the same uproar, and outcry, about the rape of children, perpetrated by members of some religious institutions.

It must of been a pretty hard task, for the powers that be, to get rid of someone like Paterno, a person that many believe should be eligible for sainthood.......Guess it must be an even harder task to fire the Pope.

Bob

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

Do you know for a fact he didn't tell him to go to the police or are you just assuming?

I forget where I read it, but Joe himself put out a statement to that effect IN HIS OWN WORDS.

 

[bimmer325!]

Simply put...if it was Joe Paterno's son that was molested..then Joe Paterno himself would have complained that not enough was done and it should have been reported to Police. Shame on Joe..as he has kids/grandkids. Regardless of the relationship to his asst coach..if he would have stopped it there..others would not have been abused.

 

[Flash Gordon]

First of all read my post, Joe was not told the child was raped, he was told that there was inappropriate behavior between the former coach and a young boy. It was not until 9 years later that Joe learned the boy was sodomized. Big difference. The accuser did not give all of the details, the accuser may not of had all the details. We have no idea what the grad student saw only that both Joe and the grad student tell the same story in that Joe was told only inappropriate behavior was observed. The victim filled in the blanks.

50 year old men showering with 10 year old boys shouldn't require Sherlock Holmes to figure out something ain't right

Speaking of showering......that dude is going to have another shower mate soon. His name will be Big Buck Bubba

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

the only sad part is that joe threw his reputation and legacy down the drain. He got what was coming to him.

exactamundo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[courtdale]

I forget where I read it, but Joe himself put out a statement to that effect IN HIS OWN WORDS.

If it's the quote I read, he just said "In hindsight, I wish I had done more."

 

[crxman2010]

In a f*cking second. If there is even a 0.001% chance that it will save a child from being abused, I would take that risk. Obviously you don't have the same feelings, and THAT is why things like this happen all the time. People think it's not their problem...makes me sick.

You can only work with the information you have at hand. In this case, I think the 22 year old assistant has more to answer for than Joe. For starters: reporting inappropriate conduct doesn't tell any one much and in my opinion there is a huge gap in what he reported then and now, kinda like when a campus reports a sexual assault instead of calling it rape. Secondly, if you want to have a crusade about doing the right thing, there is no person in better position to stop a wrong than the person that is there, the assistant. Yet you want a crucify a person that as far as you know, never witnessed anything instead.

Should Joe have done more, yes, should you crucify him because you have an idea in your head that you would do better, i don't think so. God only knows how many times you have had the opportunity to help someone and did not, never giving it a second thought the person was in any mortal danger, and without live news coverage some something happening you would never the outcome of what you saw.

 

[loudog2]

Mcquerry was 28 at the time he saw the incident in 2002, not 22. He graduated PSU in 1997. That's the argument right now as to why he did nothing. I would've been the living **** out of Sandusky if I witnessed them in the shower.

Mcquerry admitted to the grand jury that he saw the rape happening and ran scared to tell his fahter first.

 

[crxman2010]

I read the entire grand jury testimony that was published. I know what went on.

Rather bold statement considering all things. Reading a book on how to polish your car doesn't impart a "full" knowledge of the topic. Reading what I would guess to be an emotional testimony of something that happened many years ago, less likely to impart full knowledge of what happened and that doesn't even assume somone might have other motives like money or revenge.

 

[theamcguy]

I read the entire grand jury testimony that was published. I know what went on. If Joe didn't go to the cops first, he should have when his superior did nothing. He was wrong, and deserves to be fired and then some.

Unless you are an employee of the Harrisburg courthouse Grand Jury testimony in the US is sealed and takes a court order and exceptional circumstances to unseal.

 

[Misterpaul]

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

 

[Old Tiger]

Boy there are a lot of misconceptions out there because the incident involved children.

1. How can there be a cover-up when no one has been convicted of a crime? You must have a crime to have a cover-up.
2. Joe Paterno did not witness any crime. That's important to understand and remember, Joe at no time saw any improper behavior between the former coach and a child .
3. A graduate student after witnessing improper behavior between an adult and a child reported the incident to Joe Paterno. At the time the student told Joe about the crime the incident was not in progress. The only information Joe had would be considered hearsay evidence in court.
4. Why didn't the witness to the crime call the police? And why is no one upset about that? This will be important later on.
5. The incident took place in 2002, the coach in question retired from Penn State in 1999.
6. Joe received information from a student about a Penn State retiree, the man no longer worked for Joe, not witnessing the crime himself, he reported it immediately to the Athletic Director for investigation. As far as Joe was concerned the incident was out of his hands and he had followed proper University procedure.
7. Realize that if Joe had reported the "crime" to the police, as everyone is saying he should have they would not have had jurisdiction unless called in by the campus police. Their first question would have been did you notify the Campus Police? If the report had turned out to be false, Joe would have been open to a False reporting charge and a lawsuit from the coach in question since Joe never witnessed a crime.
8. The graduate student only told Joe that he witnessed "improper activity" between the former coach and a young boy, it was not until this year 2011 in the Grand Jury Room that Joe found out the improper activity was sodomy.
9. Now here is the kicker in the whole incident, the assistant coach who is taking over the team from Joe Paterno is same grad student who witnessed the incident and did not call the police. Again, why is no one down on him?

Joe did nothing wrong. This is another example of journalists with an agenda destroying the reputation of a man that did a lot of good. Ask yourself, would you report a crime you did not witness on the word of someone else, knowing that if it was not true you would be open to criminal charges and a lawsuit?

You didnt mention that Sandusky was investigated in 98. Nothing was revealed but the heir apparent "resigned" suddenly in 99 while still in his prime. The GA wasnt named the interim Head Coach and is now on Admin Leave.

 

[Misterpaul]

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

For all of you Paterno defenders go read the above. RTWT!

Note on page 8 that the Grand Jury finds the testimony of the 28 year old graduate assistant "to be extremely credible." Note also that testimony was given by Paterno, Schultz and Curley but the Grand Jury only finds the graduate assistant's testimony as credible. The graduate assistant reported what he had seen. Joe Paterno testified that the graduate assistant had seen "Sandusky...fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

See also page 12 which cites the Pennsylvania criminal code requiring a report of suspected child abuse to be reported in writing and by telephone with in 48 hours to the Department of Public Welfare of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

 

[Flannigan]

Unless you are an employee of the Harrisburg courthouse Grand Jury testimony in the US is sealed and takes a court order and exceptional circumstances to unseal.

If you could read, I said what was published..keep up.

 

[JSMet]

The bottom line is TEN years passed before it came to light. How many children lives could have been affected/ruined in that time? I think that we all know that pedophiles don't just stop their behavior on their own volition; they in just about all cases have to be stopped. McCreary should also be fired in my opinion, I wonder how any parent can send their child to Penn State with someone like him and his sense of moral obligation having anything to do with a young person's safety.