Junkman's, The Mother of All "How to Fix Your Paint for Novices" Thread!

When ONR and the Cobra microfiber towels are used properly they will not cause marring on most paint surfaces. I have seen a few ultra soft paints that are the exception. Over the years ONR has more then proven its worth in the detailing industry.
 
2old2change said:
When ONR and the Cobra microfiber towels are used properly they will not cause marring on most paint surfaces. I have seen a few ultra soft paints that are the exception. Over the years ONR has more then proven its worth in the detailing industry.
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Most. That's a very nasty word. As in, "The guy shot at me 20 times but MOST of the bullets mussed." ;)
 
Junkman2008 said:
Most. That's a very nasty word. As in, "The guy shot at me 20 times but MOST of the bullets mussed." ;)
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No , what is worse is a general statement that " Two things that will heavily contribute to your issues. ONR and Cobra microfiber towels".

These are two products that have been repeatedly used without marring by thousand of amateur and professional detailers alike. It's just sad that a limited few either won't give these a fair trial of can't figure out the correct technique to use properly.

Bunky: your statement is very sad but definitely the truth.
 
Bunky said:
One should not be surprised some will not accept rinseless wash under any conditions.
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I believe it's more of the ONR than the actual RW process. From another video of Mr. JM's, he uses GDIDJ (not sure if he still actively uses it) but I know you can dilute it to be a RW.

I also personally do not like ONR. Not that it cannot work, but I prefer other products. But I still love the idea and practice of RW/WW.
 
Junkman2008 said:
Two things that you said that heavily contribute to your issues. ONR and Cobra microfiber towels. Those are two things that I would NEVER do. There's no telling what else I could find if I actually sit down and watched you.
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We put a man on the moon 45 years ago, but in the 2000s, we can't have a clear coat that doesn't get swirled to #### when it comes in contact with a light touch my a non-perfect fabric.....i tell you what....

By "ONR", I meant that I add it to the wash/soap water to add lubricity. I'm not a fan of the rinseless wash thing. I'm not a fan of any type of anything on a black vehicle come to think of it, other than looking at it for about 15 minutes after a full paint correction lol.

I don't know what's the deal....maybe the thousands of extreme heat cycles that the clear coat of a car in deep south LA goes through just diminishes it's durability? :confused:

And another thing, JM, if you were in close enough proximity to watch me wash my car, you'd be polishing my car! :buffing: haha
 
I wonder what's the correlation of people that like WW/RW to the color of their cars...
 
Junkman2008 said:
Two things that you said that heavily contribute to your issues. ONR and Cobra microfiber towels. Those are two things that I would NEVER do. There's no telling what else I could find if I actually sit down and watched you.
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AJ what are your preferred microfiber towels?
 
Coppertone said:
I wonder what's the correlation of people that like WW/RW to the color of their cars...
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I will use ONR when a customer request a rinseless wash regardless of color. Offering this service also depends on how dirty a vehicle is . The debate on the use of a rinseless or waterless product has been ongoing since their introduction. With what I have experienced is there is a place for ONR and like products in maintaining a defect free surface and is way past just being a fad or flavor of the month gimmick. I was skeptical at first but was slowly won over to this procedure as I perfected my method. Dr.G has continued to improve upon his original formula and others have joined in on improving their offerings.
 
Junkman2008 said:
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I don't know about y'all, but I think that's one of the best Show n' Shine pics I've seen on this forum!
 
Bunky said:
One should not be surprised some will not accept rinseless wash under any conditions.
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Bunky, I notice that you seem to follow me around on the Internet posting about something I have said on a lot of forums. However, I have yet to see you start one single thread where you show anything that you have done of any type of instructional value. What's up with that? I think it's best that you and I agree to disagree because I haven't seen you give any advice that was worth a dingle-berry.

Coppertone said:
We put a man on the moon 45 years ago, but in the 2000s, we can't have a clear coat that doesn't get swirled to #### when it comes in contact with a light touch my a non-perfect fabric.....i tell you what....

By "ONR", I meant that I add it to the wash/soap water to add lubricity. I'm not a fan of the rinseless wash thing. I'm not a fan of any type of anything on a black vehicle come to think of it, other than looking at it for about 15 minutes after a full paint correction lol.

I don't know what's the deal....maybe the thousands of extreme heat cycles that the clear coat of a car in deep south LA goes through just diminishes it's durability? :confused:

And another thing, JM, if you were in close enough proximity to watch me wash my car, you'd be polishing my car! :buffing: haha
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Bring it on over. I'll get you going in the right direction. :props:

2old2change said:
No , what is worse is a general statement that " Two things that will heavily contribute to your issues. ONR and Cobra microfiber towels".

These are two products that have been repeatedly used without marring by thousand of amateur and professional detailers alike. It's just sad that a limited few either won't give these a fair trial of can't figure out the correct technique to use properly.

Bunky: your statement is very sad but definitely the truth.
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The absolute safest way to wash a car is a 2-bucket wash. If you don't agree then this discussion is definitely over. I only use the safest method possible to wash my car and my paint reflects that practice. I've already posted pictures in this thread and they speak for themselves. Especially the VERY CLOSE ones and the ones with the flash going off in them.

Audi X2 said:
AJ what are your preferred microfiber towels?
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The only towel that I use for removing polish or wax is not microfiber, it's 100% cotton. That would be the Zaino Borderless Blond. I have touched a lot of towels over the years and have found nothing as soft as those. The quality is remarkable.

Setec Astronomy said:
I don't know about y'all, but I think that's one of the best Show n' Shine pics I've seen on this forum!
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That's how I roll man. The Junkman don't half-step and I definitely don't spends days geeking out on the detailing boards when I have some young hottie to play with. :xyxthumbs:

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Junkman2008 said:
I'm pretty sure that different waxes can affect the way paint looks to some degree, but that depends on the condition of the paint BEFORE the wax is applied
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This was pretty much my whole point. Not that a certain wax will make scratched / swirled paint look flawless, or even better. If the finish is jacked up, its going to look bad not matter what you put on it. I was assuming we were talking about corrected (or reasonably scratch free) paint.
 
Was watching a video put out by one of the more popular vendors, and the guy was showing all the different types of sealants and waxes they sell.

When he got to the "waxes" part, he referred to waxes as..."the true art form of detailing".

I think a more appropriate phrase would be.. "show me da money".

As far a the safest way to wash a car...DON'T touch it. Ask the Brits how that's working for them. I think you would be shocked by the answer.
 
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The absolute safest way to wash a car is a 2-bucket wash. If you don't agree then this discussion is definitely over. I only use the safest method possible to wash my car and my paint reflects that practice. I've already posted pictures in this thread and they speak for themselves. Especially the VERY CLOSE ones and the ones with the flash going off in them.


The two bucket method is OK but in my process it has been replaced by the single bucket Garry Dean Method for both standard and waterless washing. With this method contaminated wash media never re-enters the bucket and a clean towel ,sponge or mitt is always used. You can't get any safer then that IMO.
With thanks to people like Garry Dean, Dr.G , folks from Nanoskin,Rupes and many other innovators in the detailing industry, detailing has advanced and what worked a couple of years ago. In a very short time we have gone from rotary and wool to long stroke da's and denim and exotic pads. Compounds are available for heavy cut and will work all the way down to final polish. We either need to advance with the industry or be left behind in our field. To do this we all need to keep an open mind when judging new products and techniques.
 
silverfox said:
Was watching a video put out by one of the more popular vendors, and the guy was showing all the different types of sealants and waxes they sell.

When he got to the "waxes" part, he referred to waxes as..."the true art form of detailing".

I think a more appropriate phrase would be.. "show me da money".
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That is so true. A lot of these companies don't necessarily have YOUR best interest in mind as much as they have THEIR best interest in mind.
 
2old2change said:
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The two bucket method is OK but in my process it has been replaced by the single bucket Garry Dean Method for both standard and waterless washing. With this method contaminated wash media never re-enters the bucket and a clean towel ,sponge or mitt is always used. You can't get any safer then that IMO.
With thanks to people like Garry Dean, Dr.G , folks from Nanoskin,Rupes and many other innovators in the detailing industry, detailing has advanced and what worked a couple of years ago. In a very short time we have gone from rotary and wool to long stroke da's and denim and exotic pads. Compounds are available for heavy cut and will work all the way down to final polish. We either need to advance with the industry or be left behind in our field. To do this we all need to keep an open mind when judging new products and techniques.
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:iagree:
 
Junkman2008 said:
Most. That's a very nasty word. As in, "The guy shot at me 20 times but MOST of the bullets mussed." ;)
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You are a very funny guy. You also talk a lot of smack (no offense to you Smack). However I don't think anyone would challenge the fact that you're able to back up the stuff you talk with your detailing knowledge, common sense, wisdom, informative videos and end results on your car. Oh, and you also hang out with some pretty ladies. Your like the Miles Davis of the detailing world (make no mistake, that's a compliment). Your approach to people sometimes may seem a little abrasive at times but maybe that could be attributed to your Kentucky roots and your marine experience. You know that whole drill instructor thing. Let me say this is not a shot at your character (trust me if you lived in NY and we met we'd be hangin' partners) you are really, really funny. I sometimes see you write how everyone has they're opinion and I see how you really stick to your guns.

I appreciate your honesty and what you bring to the game although sometimes brutal.

Just remember...
 
2old2change said:
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The absolute safest way to wash a car is a 2-bucket wash. If you don't agree then this discussion is definitely over. I only use the safest method possible to wash my car and my paint reflects that practice. I've already posted pictures in this thread and they speak for themselves. Especially the VERY CLOSE ones and the ones with the flash going off in them.


The two bucket method is OK but in my process it has been replaced by the single bucket Garry Dean Method for both standard and waterless washing. With this method contaminated wash media never re-enters the bucket and a clean towel ,sponge or mitt is always used. You can't get any safer then that IMO.
With thanks to people like Garry Dean, Dr.G , folks from Nanoskin,Rupes and many other innovators in the detailing industry, detailing has advanced and what worked a couple of years ago. In a very short time we have gone from rotary and wool to long stroke da's and denim and exotic pads. Compounds are available for heavy cut and will work all the way down to final polish. We either need to advance with the industry or be left behind in our field. To do this we all need to keep an open mind when judging new products and techniques.
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Word! :iagree:
 
runrun411 said:
You are a very funny guy. You also talk a lot of smack (no offense to you Smack). However I don't think anyone would challenge the fact that you're able to back up the stuff you talk with your detailing knowledge, common sense, wisdom, informative videos and end results on your car. Oh, and you also hang out with some pretty ladies. Your like the Miles Davis of the detailing world (make no mistake, that's a compliment). Your approach to people sometimes may seem a little abrasive at times but maybe that could be attributed to your Kentucky roots and your marine experience. You know that whole drill instructor thing. Let me say this is not a shot at your character (trust me if you lived in NY and we met we'd be hangin' partners) you are really, really funny. I sometimes see you write how everyone has they're opinion and I see how you really stick to your guns.

I appreciate your honesty and what you bring to the game although sometimes brutal.

Just remember...
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You sir, have nailed me dead on. Everything you just wrote is 100% true. My Marine Corps background does cause me to give tough love, but I always assume that I am dealing with grown men on these forums. So if I am not soft enough for some guys, I tell them to reach down and check to see if they have a pair. If they do, I tell them to man up and listen to the FREE advice that I am giving.

Being a New Yorker, you guys always catch a bad rap about being rash and mean, when that's not the case at all. You're just New Yorkers and that's the way you all are. It's nothing personal, it's personality. :xyxthumbs:

Lord knows I could be stingy and just keep what I know to myself so the way that I deliver the information is sometime the price folks have to pay for good ol', completely free, tough lovin' advice. That's the way I learned and the one thing that I appreciate about it the most is that I never forgot what I learned. :)
 
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