karma for those who tailgate *video*

[SYMAWD]

I don't care if she was going 20 MPH over the limit. If the person behind her wanted to speed even more, she should have moved over. There was room in the right lane as seen in the video, and with how fast the truck was going, she would have had more than enough time to move back over and make her left turn which was some time away if you watch the full length version of the video.

The worst is people who drive under the limit in the lane next to the left lane and then suddenly go 20 MPH over the limit as soon as you go to pass them.

 

[Infiniti]

It doesn't look like he was following that close. In Oklahoma driving in the left lane is perfectly legal no matter of your speed as long as you are above the minimums and below the maximums.

The only exception is on the turnpikes where you are suppose to use the left lane for passing only.

New Oklahoma traffic law: Left lane for passing only

This is a problem in Texas also with people not knowing the law. People think it is fine to drive in the left lane in Texas with signs that clearly state "Left lane for passing only". It is also against the law to put on your brakes if you think someone is following too close. It is quite simple get in the right lane and drive the speed limit and let the others have the left lane.

 

[CowboyTruckn]

New Oklahoma traffic law: Left lane for passing only

This is a problem in Texas also with people not knowing the law. People think it is fine to drive in the left lane in Texas with signs that clearly state "Left lane for passing only". It is also against the law to put on your brakes if you think someone is following too close. It is quite simple get in the right lane and drive the speed limit and let the others have the left lane.

Well I'll be damned... :urtheman:

 

[CowboyTruckn]

And also :doh:

 

[cardaddy]

I don't care if she was going 20 MPH over the limit. If the person behind her wanted to speed even more, she should have moved over. There was room in the right lane as seen in the video, and with how fast the truck was going, she would have had more than enough time to move back over and make her left turn which was some time away if you watch the full length version of the video.

The worst is people who drive under the limit in the lane next to the left lane and then suddenly go 20 MPH over the limit as soon as you go to pass them.

Well I agree, those that speed up and slow down need to have their licenses revoked.

But if lets say she was going over, be that 5 or 20 mph over, there is no obligation what so ever to move into a slower traffic lane thereby causing even greater risk to public safety, (slowing down just to make that maneuver) than to placate some idiot trying to go 30 miles over the speed limit.

Personally, He was close at times, but had he been behind me he'd still been there. And there was enough stupidly going around for all involved, but pulling up beside someone just to flip them off.... well that brings its own kind of stupid with it. Then attempting to cut her off (on an open highway) would have been ridiculous, but AT AN INTERSECTION?

What can we say?
The camera told the ultimate truth there. Just lucky someone didn't get killed.

Dashboard cameras are becoming increasingly popular JUST FOR THESE SITUATIONS.

I know a local towing company owner that has them in all his trucks. Just a few months ago he had a very similar situation. Had a guy that claimed he wasn't doing anything wrong, yet he went around a truck then made an illegal turn DIRECTLY IN FRONT of a F650 Rollback.

Threatened to sue the towing company even! They went to court, then Paul pulled out the camera footage. The guy COULD have just paid the ticket, accepted responsibility, and let his insurance pay for the damages. Instead he went to jail for fraud and purgery! :laughing:

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[BillE]

Instead he went to jail for fraud and purgery! :laughing:
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Now, THAT is Karma!

Bill

 

[Angus]

Interesting map showing state by state left lane traffic laws:

 

[Blackthorn One]

So we are all guy guys. (Girls too)

So what do you guys think caused him to spin out? The road was wet too.

He was trying to pass too close in front of her and he was changing lanes too abruptly. It would have worked in the dry, but in the wet, his tires didnt have enough adhesion to correct the car to make it go straight down the road again after he turned it, making it go sideways.
THEN he overcorrected. Then he overcorrected again.
You can drive fast in the wet, but everything you do must be SMOOTH. All your steering must be gradual, with no jerkiness or abruptness in changing direction. If you move the wheel too abruptly, you will lose tire grip abruptly, and then you can spin.

Once you start spinning, it is very difficult to regain control, unless you have practice, and know how to drive THAT kind of car under those conditions.
The fact that he was in a pickup, with uneven weight distribution didn't help him have control, either, along with the very high center of gravity of it. If he was in a Corvette, maybe he could have done it.

 

[hernandez.art13]

^ So in a way he kinda hydro plained or drifted.

Interesting and thanks

 

[Blackthorn One]

^ So in a way he kinda hydro plained or drifted.

Interesting and thanks

Well hydroplaning usually involves a layer of water preventing contact between the rubber and the road. He had contact between the rubber and the road, but not enough, because the road was slick with water, but not to the point where there was a shallow puddle.
It's more like drifting, but drifting is controlled skidding. He skidded.

He was so consumed by his ego at wanting to one up the woman in the car that he let his rage interfere with his focusing on his driving and his judgement.

He threw the car so quickly into the other lane right in front of the other car that it was beyond the capability of the car to be able to stop moving left and so he put himself into a skid.

He then steered too far to the left to try and compensate for the skid.

When the road is wet, it takes a little longer for the tires to regain grip, and so it leads the inexperienced to turn the wheel more to regain control sooner, which you could do if the road was completely dry and the tires had more bite.
The wheel must be turned a little less to correct, because the road being wet causes the car to move more, and more slowly in the direction you turn it than in the dry.

Wet road handling is different than dry road handling, which in California is not something most drivers get enough experience with to be able to develop that skill, unless they play driving simulators or use a slick track.

My point is that the road seemed pretty evenly wet and slick, so what he experienced is what happens when you throw a car around too much for the available road grip.

If he had hit a puddle or gravel, it would have been even worse.
His ego wrote a check his body couldn't cash.
He ran out of talent.

It wasn't just an accident. He deliberately drove the truck in a way it couldn't be driven in the rain.

He drove it like he does in the dry, I'm sure, and then he got surprised that he couldn't do that.
The failure was his and his alone. Don't blame the water. Blame the driver of the truck.

 

[cardaddy]

So we are all guy guys. (Girls too)

So what do you guys think caused him to spin out? The road was wet too.

Because he was unable to see where he was going due to the fact his head was stuck so far up his arse! :laughing:

But seriously,;
As has been stated the problem was caused in large part due to wet roads but it was CLEARLY exacerbated by the fact that all of the changes of direction were happening at an intersection where there is MUCH MORE paint on the road. Extra traffic lines, huge arrows and even thick balk lines (the one's that go across the road).

Hundreds of times in the 18 years I drove a rollback I would INSTANTLY lose steering axle traction when approaching an intersection and applying the brakes WHEN THE PAINTED LINES WERE WET.

It would happen empty or loaded! But would ALWAYS happen loaded!!!!!
The scary part is that on a truck like that, when you were loaded the front axle is usually lighter than when you are empty, even with only ONE vehicle on the bed. But put one on the wheel lift BEHIND the truck and you might as well not even have front brakes!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've slid through hundreds of intersections, strobe lights on, flashing headlights and standing on the horn! All it took was a hint of moisture and a quick changing light. Or a few bumps in the pavement and a wet road.
Once you hit the bumps the front end would just lock up and your along for the ride!

That is why I will ALWAYS GET OUT OF THE WAY of a tow truck approaching an intersection (whether it's behind or coming at me). They simply CAN NOT STOP.

You get used to it once you start driving 70,000+ miles a year, and try to mitigate chances of it happening... but despite best efforts it'll sneak up on you at least once a day if its raining all day, and your busy and loaded most of the time. The "pucker factor" never got any better on year 18 than it did year 1 either!

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