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After polishing with Menzerna SF4000(already very glossy finish), which product would be suitable or best for creating a wet, gloss finish before applying a wax or sealant?

AutoGlym SRP
PoorBoys White Diamond Glaze
AF Tripple
Megs Cleaner Wax
Megs Ultimate Polish
Menz PP Ultra
BF GEP
 
Noone used the above products or a bad idea to?
 
Well IMO if you have polished properly using SF4000 the paint should look pretty darn good (assuming there were no deeper below surface defects or these were taken care of prior to the application of SF4000).

I don't see that Megs cleaner wax, PP Ultra or AF Tripple would logically follow SF4000 as the abrasives in SF4000 should yield a better finish than that of any of the 3 aforementioned 'AIO's.

Therefore applying a glaze *may* add some gloss, which really leaves SRP or White Diamond - on a lighter car I suspect White Diamond would yield better results than SRP but on darker cars perhaps the other way around.

:dunno:
 
Menzerna SF-4000 is one of the finest polishes available today. Menzerna does offer a slightly finer polish called Menzerna SF-4500 which can possibly add additional gloss but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Once the finish is polished and clean, top with a quality sealant or wax. Either will amp up the gloss giving you the shine you're trying to achieve...
 
Do a test spot of the different products see what you like the best for your paint, it might be different on a black toyota compared to a black vw or white merc.
 
Thanks, steps would be PF2500 on orange LC pad, SF4000 on white LC pad, either SRP or PBWD on greyish/black LC finishing pad and either PL or 915 by hand.
 
lawrenceSA said:
Well IMO if you have polished properly using SF4000 the paint should look pretty darn good (assuming there were no deeper below surface defects or these were taken care of prior to the application of SF4000).

I don't see that Megs cleaner wax, PP Ultra or AF Tripple would logically follow SF4000 as the abrasives in SF4000 should yield a better finish than that of any of the 3 aforementioned 'AIO's.

Therefore applying a glaze *may* add some gloss, which really leaves SRP or White Diamond - on a lighter car I suspect White Diamond would yield better results than SRP but on darker cars perhaps the other way around.

:dunno:
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Great advice as always:xyxthumbs:
 
What colour is the car? On my silver paint you would never notice the difference between SF4000 and 4500...
 
I may question if you can get the cut of SF4000 with SF4500, but I bet you can get the finish of SF4500 with SF4000 (within higher frequency). Got it?

4000 is rated 4 / 10 (cut / gloss) scale, while 4500 is rated 2 / 10. This fact (in my understanding) tells that they start cutting differently, but will end at the same finishing capabilities. Right?

If you only have 4000, my suggestion is for you to get the softest pad you have available, and work the whole surface again with this setup.

Play with polisher speed and pressure... you may want to put very little to no pressure at the ending passes when finishing (and abrasives are properly broke down). Polisher speed may vary, but it's not the fastest (speed 6), aba not the slowest... you'll need some polisher speed and some pressure from the start to work the abrasives properly. SF4000 works good at speeds 4-5, sometimes 5 finish even better than 4, unfortunately this do not means you may not use it at speed 2, 3... above are just suggestions.

If you finished SF4000 on white pad properly (and paint is also not the damnest softest paint ever), it's hard to notice a difference if you follow with a gray / black finishing pad.

By the way when I'm trying to reach the upmost, I will 'execute' the last step with the softest pad anyway because maybe in the end, at some angle, it may give that 0.001% more shine we are all after!

Keep in mind when you are polishing the paint, you're actually 'micro-scratching' the paint with the abrasives. The finer / softer you go at the end refining your 'micro-scratching', the more improved will be your finish (considered your correction work was done right).

In this case, if you can have both (SF4000 / SF4500), SF4500 and the soft pad would be the likely choice for final finishing because it's even finer... if not, SF4000 will do the job 99.9% of times.

Again, read my comments with care without literally trying to reproduce anything I've said. I've tried to use some keywords for you to look after and try to improve 'your own way of doing it'.

Hope that helps,

(please, ask if needed),

Kind Regards.
 
Its a White Golf, hard paint. @ Tato, wow, awesome comprehensive reply!
 
Okay did a 50/50 test spot by hand with using mf pads with SRP and PB White Diamond. The SRP is more runny and the PBWD a thicker liquid, and this is evident on application and hazing too, however both easy to apply and remove. Under natural light, flourescant light and a torch I cannot see any noticeable difference between either product once wiped off? Both seem to fill exactly the same and give the same glossy shine. Anyone here have experience with both, I'd love to hear your findings. I wonder which has more fillers? To me they finish off exactly the same on corrected and uncorrected paint.
 
none of the above.

I have a hard time believing anyone can tell a difference between SF4000 and SF4500 unless the paint was flat black, ultra finicky and soft enough to be marred by MF towels.
 
I agree on no difference between SF4000/45000 but Menz themselves state both finish exactly the same just that SF4000 gets there faster due to the higher cut. However SRP and WD are very different brands from different continents, SRP has some abrasive or cut built into it and it cleans and fills whereas WD has no abrasives and only cleans and fills. I'm curious as to which fills better on paper claims cause in reality I cant see any difference in finish.
 
Zubair said:
I'm actually sceptical as to whether there is much difference between glazes, they all clean and fill to a certain degree and need to be topped by an lsp for longevity. So I'd recommend going for the cheapest one as there are no visual differences between filler polishes aka glazes if one were to use them for that 1% extra pop.
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Research it and try it, you'll see CG EZ-Creme Glaze is not your average glaze. Google "Todd Cooperider" and "EZ Creme Glaze." You'll note, Todd's been around the block a few times, like Mike Phillips here. :props:
 
I have seen threads where guys tested Prima Amigo vs Black Hole and guys couldn't tell a difference either, last thing I need is more of the same products lol, sitting with enough glazes and lsp's for a lifetime lol.
 
Zubair said:
I have seen threads where guys tested Prima Amigo vs Black Hole and guys couldn't tell a difference either, last thing I need is more of the same products lol, sitting with enough glazes and lsp's for a lifetime lol.
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Amigo is meant to do light correction and strip LSPs - it fills as well. Black Hole is primarily mean for clean naked paint. There are no abrasives or cleaners per se in Black Hole.

Although, PBs does say it can "clean the dirt out of swirls" - whatever that means...To me, not much.
 
Zubair said:
I'm actually sceptical as to whether there is much difference between glazes, they all clean and fill to a certain degree and need to be topped by an lsp for longevity. So I'd recommend going for the cheapest one as there are no visual differences between

filler polishes aka glazes

if one were to use them for that 1% extra pop.
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Congratulations!! As far as I can tell:
You have just got through presenting a new definition for automotive Glazes: "filler polishes". :D

•I, on the other hand, have always thought of Glazes as being:
-shine enhancment products that are manufactured with oils and other "wetting agents".
-neither polishes or LSPs
-applied to auto paint after polishing/before Waxes and Sealants.

•Sure:
-Some Glazes may have fillers that can serve the purpose of "hiding" very slight paint blemishes---adding something to the paint surface.
-But...as Mike Phillips would inquire:
'If a product isn't adding something, isn't it taking something away'?

•Again...(To me):
-Glazes are a way of adding some extra shine enhancement...more of the "wet look" prior to LSPing.

-And:
Doesn't that boil down to what you're current thread is all about?


Bob
 
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