LSP: Tried many - I just don't see a difference!!!

polishing indeed offers the best and most noticable differences. Waxes have some light nuiances ... and I can assure you even at huge price levels you will not truly find something all that much more rewarding over the look of Souveran and Fuzion.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
polishing indeed offers the best and most noticable differences. Waxes have some light nuiances ... and I can assure you even at huge price levels you will not truly find something all that much more rewarding over the look of Souveran and Fuzion.
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and to think there is wax available for thousands of dollars.... crazy! I really would not mind buying the fuzion if I were making salary to just try once (still in school!), but maybe one of these days I will or if AG has a sale for COLLEGE STUDENTS :)
 
I am surprised to see people unimpressed by Fusion. I got the 3 oz on special earlier in the year, used it on my Wife's Starfire Pearl Lexus & it looked UNREAL! I could not have been more impressed. My Wife is very skeptical about this high end detailing stuff and I always keep her car looking good but even she thought the Fusion made her car look great. Just my .02
 
mdgrwl said:
So I've been a little wax crazy over the last 6 months (just got a new Lexus IS350 6 months ago, color Metallic Dark Charcoal) and tried all sorts of products on it.

I would clay, use Wolfgang Paintwork Polish enhancer before each wax to prep the paint and here's what I've tried so far.

Pinnacle Sig Series II
Pinnacle Souveran
Wolfgang Deep Gloss 3.0
Max Wax
Wofgang Fuzion (whats on there now).

The good thing is they all look great. The bad thing is they all loog great! lol...

I just don't see a stinking difference and I would like to think I have a pretty discerning eye. If anything, there are SUPER SUPER Subtle difference at VERY VERY best... but I'm starting to think that thats even placebo.

Love waxing my car, but I think I'm getting sick of spending the cash for SUPER MINOR differences that go away after the first rain or wash anyway. I'm so tempted to try Swissvax Concorso & Supernatural but my reasoning side of me think its just going to be a waste of $400 cuz I just wont see the difference.

Anyway, just venting and wanted your thoughts on the matter? Thanks!
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Which I why I choose my wax/sealant based on ease of use and slickness. ;)
 
loudog2 said:
Chad I thought you liked supernatural.
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I do, but I have had a few issues with it "sweating" on me. When I'm doing a customers car I can't afford to have issues like these popping up. I want something that is very easy to use (no issues at all) and leaves the paint feeling super slick.


For my own personal car I'm not pressed for time and if a wax acts up it's no big deal. While the difference is very minimal, I felt that SN gave my car a little something other waxes hadn't. I've been working at my companyfor 4 years now, and the morning after I waxed my car with SN was the only time one of my co-workes ever said something about how awesome my paint looked....and it's always looks good! :D
 
Just curious. I have been using supernatural on my personal car, and love it. I think it stands out from the rest. Your right about ease of use on other cars though. It would be a little more time comsuming to use RBOE, Supernatural and any other Dodo hard.
 
I have a few more expensive waxes, souv, cg 5050 etc. But I can really tell no difference between the more expensive ones, and Natty's Blue... whether on a light vehicle (white) or dark. Sometimes depending on light etc one looks a tad diff etc, but really they all looks about the same to me. Hard to beat NB for the money.

The one wax where I can tell a difference for whatever reason, is Collinite 915 on silver, I don't know why but it gives silver a glow and pop that my other waxes don't.
 
I can tell a difference between waxes based upon longevity, ease of use, and looks. Some waxes look more deep look and some offer better sharp reflections. I know this is not just my imagination. My Adam's Americana looks alot better than a 20 dollar meguiars wax.
 
I've noticed a significant difference between some LSPs and less so of others. I can see how Natty's Red makes paint pop and be extra wet and glossy compared to most waxes. Supernatural really shines and catches the light while still looking somewhat warm. Souveran looks extra deep and rich compared to most, but doesn't pop like Natty's Red or shine as brightly as Supernatural. Wolfgang DGPS is definitely richer and deeper than Griots Garage paint sealant. I'm an artist who started drawing when I was 5, so I have a better eye for detail than most people do, because if you want your portraits to look right, you HAVE to develop an attention to detail. There ARE differences between various LSP's. Just look at the products in the tins. THAT will tell you how different they really are. A red wax isn't going to become totally transparent when you put it on a car. It will give the car a slightly reddish cast. If you use a yellow wax on a black car, it will make it look slightly brown.If you use a white wax on a black car, it will make it look slightly gray. Logic dictates that it must. Now, the real test is to get LSP's of the exact same color, and then look at the difference in shine, depth, ect. If you don't see or appreciate the very subtle difference between various LSPs, don't pay for the higher end LSPs, since it's your car and your money. Just buy what you think gives you the most benefit vs the cost. On the other hand, if you need to please other people, like car show judges or you have a customer who wants a certain LSP used on his or her car, then by all means use that higher end LSP.
 
It is truly an emotional decision.

Some will not pay more than $10 for a LSP and think it is best and some will not pay less than $100 and think it is the best.

I do see differences between LSP's when I apply to metallic paints more than say black but usually the differences fade as the LSP ages. At this point, I like doing my cars so bragging about 6 month durability is not on my wish list and my preferences change too.
 
Blackthornone said:
I've noticed a significant difference between some LSPs and less so of others. I can see how Natty's Red makes paint pop and be extra wet and glossy compared to most waxes. Supernatural really shines and catches the light while still looking somewhat warm. Souveran looks extra deep and rich compared to most, but doesn't pop like Natty's Red or shine as brightly as Supernatural. Wolfgang DGPS is definitely richer and deeper than Griots Garage paint sealant. I'm an artist who started drawing when I was 5, so I have a better eye for detail than most people do, because if you want your portraits to look right, you HAVE to develop an attention to detail. There ARE differences between various LSP's. Just look at the products in the tins. THAT will tell you how different they really are. A red wax isn't going to become totally transparent when you put it on a car. It will give the car a slightly reddish cast. If you use a yellow wax on a black car, it will make it look slightly brown.If you use a white wax on a black car, it will make it look slightly gray. Logic dictates that it must. Now, the real test is to get LSP's of the exact same color, and then look at the difference in shine, depth, ect. If you don't see or appreciate the very subtle difference between various LSPs, don't pay for the higher end LSPs, since it's your car and your money. Just buy what you think gives you the most benefit vs the cost. On the other hand, if you need to please other people, like car show judges or you have a customer who wants a certain LSP used on his or her car, then by all means use that higher end LSP.
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Do you think you can teach someone to see the nuance in the differences between LSPs?

I think your example of being an artist is a good (and accurate one) because I don't have an artistic bone in my body and probably couldn't tell the difference between a Rembrandt and little Billy's 4th grade project, let alone two LSPs.
 
Actually, I'm thinking about this a little more... does anyone know of two LSPs I could try side by side where there would be a HUGE difference, unmistakable, even to a poor eye, like mine?

For example, Zaino is suppose to have a plastic look, right? What if I put Z2Pro beside "product x", would that yield the biggest difference in looks? Or what about turtle wax vs. Souveran or anything else you could think of, what would yield the biggest difference?
 
RaskyR1 said:
I still think this test best shows how little the difference is between the look of waxes on a well prepped panel. It also reinforces the fact that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. :props:


Big Wax Test - Looks Results - Full Review - Detailing World
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DaveKG is just full of information! Can you believe he had 25,000+ posts on DW in a few short years? How'd he do that, detail endlessly, offer training AND get a Masters in physics?!? Sheesh.....

TL
 
Still trying to figure out what "Zed 2 Pro" is? LOL!!!
 
Tesla said:
Do you think you can teach someone to see the nuance in the differences between LSPs?

I think your example of being an artist is a good (and accurate one) because I don't have an artistic bone in my body and probably couldn't tell the difference between a Rembrandt and little Billy's 4th grade project, let alone two LSPs.
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I think you can, but it depends upon the LSP. To be completely honest, it is very difficult to see much difference after only one coat with most LSP's. I always use at least 3 coats. After 3 coats, it is easier to see the differences. A lot of times, I notice very little if any difference after applying one coat of LSP over a polished surface. I did however, notice a big difference after the first coat of Natty's red and separately, Wolfgang DGPS. I noticed a subtle difference after applying one coat of Supernatural. It just looked like it sparkled a little more, with a bit more depth and glow. After one coat of Griot's Garage paint sealant on a clear coated red Camaro, I noticed hardly any difference at all. The clear looked a LITTLE less scratched a little smoother, with just maybe the faintest hint of more shine.
 
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I tried Pinnacle Souveran paste on my silver 07 Maxima, and wasn't too impressed. I use it on my Wife's Majestik Blue 07 Altima, and it looks amazing. I picked up the small Fuzion on sale and tried that on my Maxima, and all I can say is :bowdown:. Now I know what people mean when they say a certain wax makes the paint "pop". The Fuzion is amazing, and I don't think I'll use anything else on that car!
 
1hawaii50 said:
I tried Pinnacle Souveran paste on my silver 07 Maxima, and wasn't too impressed. I use it on my Wife's Majestik Blue 07 Altima, and it looks amazing. I picked up the small Fuzion on sale and tried that on my Maxima, and all I can say is :bowdown:. Now I know what people mean when they say a certain wax makes the paint "pop". The Fuzion is amazing, and I don't think I'll use anything else on that car!
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I really think that the fact that Fuzion is the color red is a big reason why it makes paint, especially metallics, pop so much. Red is a hot color in the color spectrum and thus it grabs more of your attention than any other color. When you apply a thin layer of red wax, or sealant therefore, it should increase it's pop, just a little bit, by making the surface look a little more firey and attention getting like the color red is. The fact that Fuzion is part sealant gives it great clarity and shine, which, again, helps metallics to stand out more, and the wax part adds a bit of warmth.
 
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