McKee's 360

Ok the test has officially started: McKee’s 37 360 AIO longevity test.

*Perfectly Prepped Surface. No corners were cut*


Longevity test has officially started.

All this work and it’ll fail in only a few weeks ;) jk jk but I know your area seems quite harsh on LSP’s Ric!

Looking forward to this though!
 
All this work and it’ll fail in only a few weeks ;) jk jk but I know your area seems quite harsh on LSP’s Ric!

Looking forward to this though!

It’s only somewhat harsh as far as possible bonded contaminants.. But the lack of rain makes for ideal conditions when it comes to water behavior. It’s beading country down here. Lol
 
Haha I remember you posting pics maybe a month ago and there must’ve been 10,000 beads on your car, no lie! Beading country indeed!
 
It’s only somewhat harsh as far as possible bonded contaminants.. But the lack of rain makes for ideal conditions when it comes to water behavior. It’s beading country down here. Lol

Is SoCal experiencing a heat wave right now? I wonder if heavy dry heat will punish 360 like my theory about Arizona would. But maybe the area during heateave still isn’t as brutal as Arizona during normal summer.
 
[...] Longevity test has officially started [...]

Thanks for doing this test! I hope you get a little more longevity from it this time. Props to you doing the extra step with the prep polish. Probably overkill for the mk360 but it puts the sealant on a level playing field.

The vehicle I did had not been polished in 2 years. I used mk360 on some LC white pads and was amazed at some of the grime it pulled out on some panels even after a full wash, decon, and clay. And this vehicle was maintained by me so it was not neglected, and previously had some sort of protection added after nearly every wash, almost overkill. But it's real DD and driven in the midwest through all four seasons so I guess that's just what happens.
 
After polishing then 360, it doesn't seem as hydrophobic as TW Seal N Shine. The beading isn't nearly as good. Not sure why. Using Hydro Blue Pro ever 3 weeks or so on top.
 
After polishing then 360, it doesn't seem as hydrophobic as TW Seal N Shine. The beading isn't nearly as good. Not sure why. Using Hydro Blue Pro ever 3 weeks or so on top.

360 is pure sealant left behind. TW SNS seems like more of a new-age, PNS type of ‘polymer coating’. If Hydro Blue Pro is like the original, I’m sure it’s taking care of the beading for you. The sealant underneath provides solid protection, as I still believe pure sealants probably protect against etching, bird bombs, sap and tar better than anything else, at least in my experience so far.
 
360 is pure sealant left behind. TW SNS seems like more of a new-age, PNS type of ‘polymer coating’. If Hydro Blue Pro is like the original, I’m sure it’s taking care of the beading for you. The sealant underneath provides solid protection, as I still believe pure sealants probably protect against etching, bird bombs, sap and tar better than anything else, at least in my experience so far.

One thing I've noticed is how great the car looks even when dirty after rain etc. It retains the shine. So the 360 is clearly working at some level.
 
15 day update: As predicted the vehicle bearly moved in the entire 15 days. It might’ve been to the store once and that’s it. No rain. Just parked outside. It was a bit dirty with bird bombs and a layer of dust.

Here’s the 1st water to hit it in 15 days since application.

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More water...

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Same result.

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More water...

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Same result.

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So I decided to give the entire roof a quik wash with Megs Hyper Wash, to see if it made any difference.

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It made no difference.

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I gave it every chance in world to succeed, but as we can clearly see, the McKee’s 360 didn’t last 2 weeks...

And while going over it with the washmitt, the 360 side was much more difficult to get clean as the slickness on the paint was at a bare minimum compared to the other side which allowed the mitt to glide across the paint and remove the bird bombs, dirt, & debris with little to no effort.

I must say I’m not surprised. Even with the perfect prep and optimal conditions, there’s no normal AIO that should be expected to last more than 2-3 weeks.

Thx for reading.
 
How long do I have to wait before I can apply a different sealant?
 
How long do I have to wait before I can apply a different sealant?

7-10 days or after the 1st wash.

On my previous car I polished with HD Speed and started applying Beadmaker after the 1st wash which came about 7-10 days after polishing and I could clearly tell the beading was beginning to go limp at that point.
 
7-10 days or after the 1st wash.

On my previous car I polished with HD Speed and started applying Beadmaker after the 1st wash which came about 7-10 days after polishing and I could clearly tell the beading was beginning to go limp at that point.

Do I need to do any prep though first (polish?) or can I just apply a sealant?
 
Do I need to do any prep though first (polish?) or can I just apply a sealant?

No prep needed because there’s basically nothing left on the surface to interfere with what you’ll be laying down.

If you were to top an AIO immediately after applying it then that’s a different story, but after 7-14 days it’s a non factor unless you were applying something like a dedicated coating.
 
Thank you I appreciate it. I've been using Hydro Blue on top of the 360 so maybe I'll wait a month or so.
 
Just for kicks & giggles I applied a quik spray & wipe of Beadmaker on the 360 side after the test was done... Here’s a before shot.
[yes, I applied it on the wet panel as a drying aid]

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Spray with the hose nozzle, Immediately after wiping down. No cure time.

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Already worlds difference compared to the 360 AIO.

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All this work and it’ll fail in only a few weeks ;) jk jk but I know your area seems quite harsh on LSP’s Ric!

Looking forward to this though!

Haha called this happening 2 weeks ago, wishing I was wrong..

It’s quite odd, I feel I’ve seen many people saying/claiming AIO’s lasting around 1-3 months generally , or in Eldorado2k’s case, just weeks with multiple products. Then some as much as 6 months(360,D166, One Step) and that’s not just manufacturer claims. Now clearly being in the 1% as we AG’ers are when it comes to car care, we will maintain our vehicles and therefore our LSP’s to a level regular folk never will.

Is this where we are getting our long lasting claims from? Constant maintenance and toppers... If so are the 3-6 month group experiencing the benefits of the topper(I think this is generally confirmed by now) and without them they’d be done around 1-2 months at best?

Are we actually better off using a polish(whether light or medium cut as some AIO’s can be) and then do a simple spray and wipe sealant? I use a spray sealant as an example and not a liquid or paste, because they’re quick and easy to use just as an AIO is. I think they’ve also been shown to last around 3 months and some can go closer to 6(again noted by users and not manufacturers.)

I imagine that process wouldn’t add much to the time of the overall detail as some members are using the spray sealant to remove the polish. Cruz, of Cruz’sCarWash(I hope that’s his AG name) does this exact thing and says he gets very good results(proven in his pics/posts) and durability. I think something substantial like PNS or Megs Ultimate Fast Finish was what he used and not a spray wax.

Does anybody know of any AIO that has actually stood up around 3 months with only maintenance being a simple wash and gloss routine?(shampoo and detail spray drying aid) Maybe even just general washes?(shampoo, nothing else, minimal or no gloss enhancers or waxes in shampoo).

The only product I can think of that I’ve used before I got deep into the whole detailing and topper regiments would be Duragloss 501/601. If I remember correctly it stood up to a Chicago winter with very minimal maintenance as it’s quite hard to do when the temps don’t break from below freezing for weeks at a time.
 
Say it ain’t so, Eldo. I’m doing my own test later today. Maybe it’s regional. :D
 
I’d love to see many more tests.. The only requirements are that the AIO be used as a stand-alone, meaning no toppers, no drying aids, no wax & wax soaps, no wipedowns in between bucket washes and the 1st wash should come no sooner than 2 weeks like mine did.

No beading from spray bottles, show us the hose nozzle. No garage queens.
 
I'll have to take some pictures. My car was polished then 360 applied. The water beading was poor after a week or two. The car looks good, so I'm not sure what exactly that means. Is water beading what you're ultimately looking for? If so, this product has failed miserably. I've been washing and topping with Hydro Blue.

Turtle Wax SNS was far more durable. Night and day.
 
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