McKee's 360

[acuRAS82]

I polished off the back roof, which isn’t a huge area (‘panoramic’ moonroof on this car), but should be plenty sufficient to keep even Eldo content.

Same process as front roof driver’s side:
GG6, Pinnacle Compound, hand wipe with prep polish (totally unnecessary), LC white pad for 360. I did drivers side on speed 4.5 (more aggressive) and passenger side with speed 3 (more sealant friendly). Not sure it’ll make a difference but we’ll see.

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I’ll have this in the garage sometimes, outside sometimes. If/when it’s outside it’s going to accumulate heavy pollen until first wash in 2 weeks. I’ll try to avoid rain, but no guarantee if my wife needs the car. If it gets rain, it represents the northeast spring experience.

 

[Belo]

i'd add to my post above where I saw 3-6 with normal maintenance that these vehicles live outdoors. no garage queens. I do wonder if this is an anomaly or a regional thing. Also both got a 10 minute paint sealant or spray wax extender at the 1 and 3 month marks or so, but they were still beading well past what eldo saw before that.

 

[CleanIT]

If I wanted to speed up the process of removing what is left of 360/Hydro on my car without polishing it, is there a way to do that by washing it?

 

[acuRAS82]

If I wanted to speed up the process of removing what is left of 360/Hydro on my car without polishing it, is there a way to do that by washing it?

If you had coating prep wash it would help but not guaranteed. Poorboys has a wax stripper spray. You could add APC or other strong cleaners that are paint safe to a wash soap.

None of these are guaranteed to remove a strong LSP. You would want try to confirm they were stripped after by water test or feeling it or whatever other method I’m not mentioning.

 

[DetailZeus]

360 was applied 4/18 and washed 5/16 with Adams blue. Vehicle is a dd in the midwest, garaged at night, and driven in rain and shine. The pics are post wash taken immediately after rinse.

I want to note that most of the water continued to sheet off in the few seconds after I took the pics. Also I didn’t have much trouble blasting this bird bomb off and I didn’t notice any etching.

The roof is a better example of what it looks like with the water sheeted off. A little underwhelming with expectations that it would last months but not a complete fail. My guess is I could get a few more weeks to a month out of it. That being said I topped it with hi-def since I had the time so this test is done.

 

[CleanIT]

I had very similar results to DetailZeus.

I'm thoroughly disappointed with McKee's 360 and their soap. I did a wash today and followed up with Hydro Blue, the only product I'm liking from them at this point. Their soap I don't like at all so I switched back to Maguiar's.

All week I had a quarter size area of bird droppings. I didn't get to it in time and ended up forgetting about it. After the wash, I noticed etching in the paint where the bird droppings were. I was not able to get it out. The McKee's 360 appeared to offer little to no protection.

In terms of water beading, this is the most disappointing stuff I've ever used. It also has poor durability. Hydro only lasts a few weeks and once that is done, I'm moving on to something else. Turtle Wax Seal N Shine was far more durable.

 

[acuRAS82]

I had very similar results to DetailZeus.


I'm thoroughly disappointed with McKee's 360 and their soap. I did a wash today and followed up with Hydro Blue, the only product I'm liking from them at this point. Their soap I don't like at all so I switched back to Maguiar's.
All week I had a quarter size area of bird droppings. I didn't get to it in time and ended up forgetting about it. After the wash, I noticed etching in the paint where the bird droppings were. I was not able to get it out. The McKee's 360 appeared to offer little to no protection.


In terms of water beading, this is the most disappointing stuff I've ever used. It also has poor durability. Hydro only lasts a few weeks and once that is done, I'm moving on to something else. Turtle Wax Seal N Shine was far more durable.

NJNinja, are you in Jersey? Have you used traditional sealants before? How does 360 beading compare to those within the first few weeks?

Maybe there’s some crazy acid rain going around the northeast lately, or more likely, maybe certain wash soaps really take the life out of LSPs. Remind me what M37 soap you were using that has failed your expectations?


I’m running a side test to see how bad my ‘glossless’ soap of choice is at eating LSPs and it’s looking pretty grim. Four Star Professional Series Auto Wash. I should have known not to use this on my test panels because their professional stuff is geared for use in body shops. The label says it’s safe for wax/sealants but so far the only thing that survives without looking crappier afterwards are my glass and wheel coatings, and Cancoat. It doesn’t strip non-coatings all the way at first, but degrades the water beading and sheeting.

Anyways, as I, myself have been seeing poor results on almost everything I use this spring, I invested in good glossless wash soaps (Reset and Hyperwash) and a good panel prep so I can hopefully eliminate variables that are causing poor performance. I have yet to touch my 360 roof test, and will only touch with Hyperwash in 2 weeks to compare to yours and Eldo’s results.

 

[CleanIT]

I'm in NJ. The only other sealant I've used is Turtle Wax Seal N Shine. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to detailing products and processes. My car had a correction, then 360 applied. Water beading has been extremely poor and it only improves once I wash the car and hit it with Hydro. However, the car looks great and I attribute that to the good correction that was done to the paint. Once the 360 is worn off, I'm moving on to something else.

 

[acuRAS82]

I'm in NJ. The only other sealant I've used is Turtle Wax Seal N Shine. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to detailing products and processes. My car had a correction, then 360 applied. Water beading has been extremely poor and it only improves once I wash the car and hit it with Hydro. However, the car looks great and I attribute that to the good correction that was done to the paint. Once the 360 is worn off, I'm moving on to something else.

Maybe 360 is worn off if it looks like the beading is gone. I’m trying to figure out if your 360 beading is gone or if you just aren’t used to Sealant beading.

Which soap do you use?

 

[CleanIT]

Maybe 360 is worn off if it looks like the beading is gone. I’m trying to figure out if your 360 beading is gone or if you just aren’t used to Sealant beading.

Which soap do you use?

Hmm maybe you're right. I didn't know there was a difference. I'm using their Ceramic Auto Wash soap.

 

[acuRAS82]

Ceramic Auto Wash is supposed to leave it’s own heavy SiO2 protection behind. So I would think it, along with Hydro Blue Pro, you’re seeing these products. The 360 should be hidden beneath if it’s still there, right?

 

[DetailZeus]

I wouldn't say I'm *that* disappointed. It just might good idea to do *something* to the paint after the first wash if the car is a daily. Going forward if I need any sort of longevity from that first application I'll do a dedicated polish then LSP. My reason for choosing an AIO was mostly about ease of use; I'm either working outside or in a garage with less than perfect lighting in these cases. I almost feel "guilty" putting a coating product on a production-buff type detail and it might be more hassle than its worth. That being said I'm going to consider grabbing a "coating-lite" type product like Cancoat or even PNS as the question is "do I want to spend an extra 20-30 min now or later" to add protection.

 

[Belo]

I'm just a hobbyist, I get paid nothing lol. I probably wont buy another bottle of 360, as I like speed a little better but this thread still baffles me. I saw good performance and I'm wondering if they made a bad batch or something? My bottle is a year or 2 old when I used it first.

 

[DetailZeus]

I'm often times paid in beer

Something I forgot to mention if you're going for "Maximum Efficiency" is that the pads were a bear to clean, like trying to clean out 10 heavy sealant pads. Kind of reminded me of when I would do a rinseless wash in 30 minutes but spend an hour inspecting and picking lint out of the towels after I washed them...

 

[Eldorado2k]

I'm just a hobbyist, I get paid nothing lol. I probably wont buy another bottle of 360, as I like speed a little better but this thread still baffles me. I saw good performance and I'm wondering if they made a bad batch or something? My bottle is a year or 2 old when I used it first.

Same results from HD Speed in regards to longevity... I’ve gone through almost 2 bottles of it and I’ve never seen it last more than a couple of weeks. However on the day of I must admit when paired with great paint HD Speed tends to look phenomenal.

I found these old pics from when I polished my old Cadillac with HD Speed.
These pics are all time stamped. Check it out.

I allowed HD Speed to haze for an hour before removing and it left my paint looking amazing.

After just 5 days of perfect California weather, 5 days as proved by the time stamp on the pics...

Virtually zero beading or any other indication that there was anything left protecting my paint.

FYI: My cars paint had been beading fiercely non stop for almost an entire year before I polished it with HD Speed.

I used Beadmaker for the 1st time right after I took those pics. So that made things alot better.

 

[Eldorado2k]

But even with all their drawbacks in terms of longevity, there’s still plenty of times and places to use an AIO... I’ve used pretty much all of the ones sold here on AG and will continue to keep them on my shelf for those certain times when they fit the job, but IME and many tests none of them last. None of them them.

Yet there’s still a place for them and always will be. Lol.

 

[acuRAS82]

But even with all their drawbacks in terms of longevity, there’s still plenty of times and places to use an AIO... I’ve used pretty much all of the ones sold here on AG and will continue to keep them on my shelf for those certain times when they fit the job, but IME and many tests none of them last. None of them them.

Yet there’s still a place for them and always will be. Lol.

Yes, you taught me they are quicker and easier than normal polishes due to wipe off (leaving it on, simple wipe off). So if a person plans on using an LSP that goes well on top of AIO sealant, it still seems advantageous over a normal polish if time is limited.

 

[DetailZeus]

Yes, you taught me they are quicker and easier than normal polishes due to wipe off (leaving it on, simple wipe off). So if a person plans on using an LSP that goes well on top of AIO sealant, it still seems advantageous over a normal polish if time is limited.

I didn't find the wipe off on 360 completely effortless, though probably my own fault because I grabbed lunch before I came back and wiped it off. Though IIRC you can leave HD speed and Blackfire One-Step to sit pretty much indefinitely and still wipe off, is that true?

Also has anyone tried throwing down some spray wax during wipe off? I vaguely remember a thread where someone put down some PNS on top of essence without buffing first and it came out fine. I know this is total laziness but I'm just curious.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Yes, you taught me they are quicker and easier than normal polishes due to wipe off (leaving it on, simple wipe off). So if a person plans on using an LSP that goes well on top of AIO sealant, it still seems advantageous over a normal polish if time is limited.

I think the best time for an AIO is when performing the 1st mini detail on a customer’s vehicle where they’re going to want you to regularly maintain it on a schedule from that point forward... Because it’s gonna pop that 1st day and make an amazing impression, and by the time you see it again in 7-10 days it’ll be perfect time to begin its routine spray wax regimen which is enough to carry it a very long ways since it’ll happen every time you see it.

Clay it/Nanoskin Mitt.
AIO with whichever 1 you like best.
And after your 1st follow up visit, drench it with Beadmaker.
Invite the customer outside to literally Touch their paint..

Wow factor! They can never believe how smooth their paint is. That’s when they realize the value you provide. Money maker right there.

Best of all the vehicle has now become a freakin breeze for you to maintain. It’s a win win situation.

 

[Belo]

I'm often times paid in beer

Something I forgot to mention if you're going for "Maximum Efficiency" is that the pads were a bear to clean, like trying to clean out 10 heavy sealant pads. Kind of reminded me of when I would do a rinseless wash in 30 minutes but spend an hour inspecting and picking lint out of the towels after I washed them...

what pads are you guys using? maybe too abrasive and it's wearing off the protectant? I've only used the green AIO CCS pads.