Megs, etc. are not bad products but....

[rbss]

I was browsing another forum I'm on and the OP posted how he tried Megs cleaner wax and how well he liked it. this is one of the responses he gets back:

"Megs, etc. are not bad products but they just don't hold up or work as well as commercial/professional grade products (that actual cost the same or less). You have to remember, everyone uses the same substances to formulate their products, what is different is the purity/concentration & price.....typical retail names are much more expensive per ounce than commercial lines."

Here's another snippet from a previous thread

"I have found that flannel (100% cotton) outperforms the microfiber wax removal towels consistently- cheaper, better, last longer, gives a much better shine/result and available in sell by the bulk foot purchase at any fabric store for just a couple of bucks per foot."

Should I be using Flannel or 100% cotton to wipe down my car?

Thoughts on these statements?....Aaand go....

 

[JSou]

Lol!

 

[Bill1234]

I was browsing another forum I'm on and the OP posted how he tried Megs cleaner wax and how well he liked it. this is one of the responses he gets back:

"Megs, etc. are not bad products but they just don't hold up or work as well as commercial/professional grade products (that actual cost the same or less). You have to remember, everyone uses the same substances to formulate their products, what is different is the purity/concentration & price.....typical retail names are much more expensive per ounce than commercial lines."

Here's another snippet from a previous thread

"I have found that flannel (100% cotton) outperforms the microfiber wax removal towels consistently- cheaper, better, last longer, gives a much better shine/result and available in sell by the bulk foot purchase at any fabric store for just a couple of bucks per foot."

Should I be using Flannel or 100% cotton to wipe down my car?

Thoughts on these statements?....Aaand go....

both not true. Meguiars offers both otc and professional stuff because its the consumer in mind. A pro with a shop needs gallons of stuff while a hobbyist might need some but not alot. Meguiars is also not more expensive when comparing others. Also, not everyone used the same recipe for products. Larry kosillas plum wheel cleaner and dub by meguiars do the same thing, but have different concentrations and parts.

And the flannel thing....Shine comes from prep work, not wiping the wax off after it bonds. Okay it might pick up more but it does not work as it should and you cannot use it properly

 

[Audios S6]

Every APC is exactly the same. So are all waxes; haven't you looked at an MSDS recently? :rolls eyes:

You don't actually believe that meguiars, 3M or optimum do their own R&D of a product? Do you?

I hope that guy wasn't a pro. If so, keep me away from that koolaid.

 

[JHL88]

Can't believe this guy is serious.

Rookie.

 

[rbss]

From what I can make out I think he is an old body shop guy that obviously has been out of the game for a while. It seems like every chance he gets he post the same BS and bashes Meguiars its crazy. His go to products are BAF Industries and nothings better :xyxthumbs:

 

[MarkD51]

As for cotton Towels, I would IMO, not necessarily say cotton would be inferior to the newfangled MF Towels. At least not if we're talking something like 100% pure cotton baby diapers.

I would guess with either, one could instill swirls-damage regardless, and it's "how" they are used.

 

[FUNX650]

No matter what the subject matter is:

If you get 10 people talking about something,
you'll get 10 different opinions: There are as many
opinions as there are experts; but you know, they're
all so amazingly well informed.


Bob

 

[Roger T]

-Meguiars has over-the-counter products available at the automotive stores and the normal retail stores that carry such products. These products are sold under the "Meguiars" name.

The "Mirror Glaze" line of products by Meguiars is aimed at the body shop profession.
The "Detailer Professional Choice" line of products by Meguiars is for the professional detailer.

For what I know about it, all their products are of good quality.



Meguiars tech support is very good in m experience.

They have been in this business for over 100 years.

Roger T

 

[conman1395]

And then you get the idiot who says he's detailed cars for 50 years, thinks microfiber is all hype, and that machines are cheating and can't finish as well as by hand. Go ahead, try to prove him wrong, but he's been doing this since you were in diapers so what do you know...... (Yeah, this has happened)

 

[Bill1234]

-Meguiars has over-the-counter products available at the automotive stores and the normal retail stores that carry such products. These products are sold under the "Meguiars" name.

The "Mirror Glaze" line of products by Meguiars is aimed at the body shop profession.
The "Detailer Professional Choice" line of products by Meguiars is for the professional detailer.

For what I know about it, all their products are of good quality.



Meguiars tech support is very good in m experience.

They have been in this business for over 100 years.

Roger T

exactly what im pointing out. meguiars is very reputable and works. Ford would not be asking them to work on their cars for sema if they were bad.

 

[FUNX650]

And then you get the idiot who says he's detailed cars for 50 years, thinks microfiber is all hype, and that machines are cheating and can't finish as well as by hand. Go ahead, try to prove him wrong, but he's been doing this since you were in diapers so what do you know...... (Yeah, this has happened)

It's probably just me getting older: But I find that there is something so amicable...perhaps even charming...in the prejudices of a young mind.


Bob

 

[rbss]

:laughing::laughing:

 

[conman1395]

It's probably just me getting older: But I find that there is something so amicable...perhaps even charming...in the prejudices of a young mind.


Bob

I don't give a damn how old or young someone is. But saying you know something because you've donr it since I was an infant doesn't mean you do it well/correctly. Once upon a time doctor's thought washing their hands was useless even before surgery (doctors stuck unclean fingers in President Garfield after being shot). I don't think a doctor who doesn't wash his hands would have any patients just because "he's done this since you were in diapers."

 

[FUNX650]

As for cotton Towels, I would IMO, not necessarily say cotton would be inferior to the newfangled MF Towels. At least not if we're talking something like 100% pure cotton baby diapers.

I would guess with either, one could instill swirls-damage regardless, and it's "how" they are used.

100% pure cotton baby diapers are often difficult to find nowadays. However:
There are microfiber towels that are actually made from cotton-microfibers...using the same manufacturing processes that are used to make microfiber towels from plastic-microfibers.

Which of these two types of microfiber towels would be best to use on vehicles' paint and other components?


Bob

 

[conman1395]

100% pure cotton baby diapers are often difficult to find nowadays. However:
There are microfiber towels that are actually made from cotton-microfibers...using the same manufacturing processes that are used to make microfiber towels from plastic-microfibers.

Which of these two types of microfiber towels would be best to use on vehicles' paint and other components?


Bob

My older brother is 16 years older than me, but my mom still has some of his cotton diapers....
I think Chemical Guys has a microfiber towel with cotton fibers.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I disagree 100% about the comment about Meguiar's cleaner/wax and products overall. I know Barry and I know their chemists and they are top notch in this industry.

That cleaner/wax by the way has been around since 1973 and was the first product I used in the Meguiar's line and it fixed my car's paint when no other product would.

That simple little product led me to a job working for Meguiar's as their Outside Sales Rep and Trainer for 3 states and that eventually led me to Autogeek. Not bad for a $4.00 can of wax at the time I bought it.

I bought the paste wax you see in the picture below but both of those products are in my antique wax collection.



Here's the first consumer paint care product Meguiar's introduced in 1973,

Car Cleaner Wax - Liquid

Car Cleaner Wax - Paste

Here's another snippet from a previous thread

"I have found that flannel (100% cotton) outperforms the microfiber wax removal towels consistently- cheaper, better, last longer, gives a much better shine/result and available in sell by the bulk foot purchase at any fabric store for just a couple of bucks per foot."

Should I be using Flannel or 100% cotton to wipe down my car?

Thoughts on these statements?....Aaand go....

Avoid flat sheen cloths like t-shirts, flannel and diapers. You'll be in good company and your car will thank you as well as you're muscles.

 

[ShinyRex]

both not true. Meguiars offers both otc and professional stuff because its the consumer in mind. A pro with a shop needs gallons of stuff while a hobbyist might need some but not alot.

I went to a Megs detailing class a few years ago and Mike Stoops talked about the role of the consumer and how it will factor into a companies marketing. He used an interesting anecdote about ultimate black/protectant and how the consumer associated squeeze bottles with exterior trim and sprays for interior. When things aren't packaged to a consumers pre-conceived notions it is a gamble to see if they will purchase it or move to the competitors product. Megs makes some great products but not all of them make it to the average consumer partially based on buying habits.

I guess I'll never see Hyper dressing by the gallon at Costo

 

[allenk4]

100% pure cotton baby diapers are often difficult to find nowadays. However:
There are microfiber towels that are actually made from cotton-microfibers...using the same manufacturing processes that are used to make microfiber towels from plastic-microfibers.

Which of these two types of microfiber towels would be best to use on vehicles' paint and other components?


Bob

I do not understand how that is possible

 

[FUNX650]

I do not understand how that is possible

Bob