Meguiar's D114 Rinsefree Express Wash Is Discontinued

Rsurfer said:
Why? There will be something better down the road.
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Sure hope so. Usually with my luck on thing like this I always end up wishing that I bought more of an item because it's so great and nothing as good comes along. Sure there are a lot of great RW and WW products out there but D114 seems to fill a void because it doesn't leave anything behind (polymers and such).
 
I think I have to agree with others here. This is probably a marketing fail more than anything else. Having used D114, I am of the opinion that a gallon is worth more than what they're charging. Trying to get that message across to detailers would be tough to do, and may not even be worth their time.

But I don't understand how PBMG can have multiple overlapping products, all competing with themselves, and can remain profitable. But these guys can't figure out how to make money on such a brilliant product.

Please call me Barry. I'll buy the formula.
 
Hantra said:
I think I have to agree with others here. This is probably a marketing fail more than anything else. Having used D114, I am of the opinion that a gallon is worth more than what they're charging. Trying to get that message across to detailers would be tough to do, and may not even be worth their time.

But I don't understand how PBMG can have multiple overlapping products, all competing with themselves, and can remain profitable. But these guys can't figure out how to make money on such a brilliant product.

Please call me Barry. I'll buy the formula.
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Sadly, I won't be surprised if a 'similar' product shows up under the McKee's line in the next year at a significantly higher price.
 
And if PBMG doesn't, you know Chemical Guys will.


Probably 3 of them.
 
Geez, 10 pages discussing a discontinued product?? We absolutely love, love, love your passion, guys, but the simple truth of the matter is not enough of you were buying D114 to justify us keeping it in production. That said, D115 Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax is still available, as is the consumer version of it, Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere (including it's newly changed name - yes, NAME ONLY; Ultimate Waterless Wash Anywhere).
 
BM1024 said:
Thus if it is based on sales (accounting department) I'm sure 3M had some say in it.
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Long before our association with 3M we would discontinue products based on poor sales. Not every product is a hit, and those that aren't really do need to be euthanized to make room for others. If you know the Meguiar's history, you know that we started off as a furniture polish company back in 1901. We eventually got out of that business entirely due to slow sales, and that was actually quite recently (like, in the last 10 - 15 years). This whole world of car care products can be a crazy one, and products that are truly outstanding sometimes are either misunderstood by the masses, or lag in sales for other reasons. On the flip side, there are products on the market today that detailing enthusiasts deride as being absolutely horrible in every way, yet they sell like crazy to the masses. Go figure. At some point you have to make a business decision, whether you're as large as 3M or as small as a local corner Mom & Pop retail store, as to what items you'll make/sell/represent/etc and which ones you won't. It really is as simple as that.
 
Michael Stoops said:
Geez, 10 pages discussing a discontinued product?? We absolutely love, love, love your passion, guys, but the simple truth of the matter is not enough of you were buying D114 to justify us keeping it in production.
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Would you be able to share how many gallons was "not enough"? I mean how many gallons were being sold a year, just so we could get some perspective on the size of the market. I'm going to guess that it will be way more than some people would think, and way less than what others think.
 
Maybe one of the smaller companies, to whom the limited sales would be profitable, will license/buy the formula and market it.
 
Michael Stoops said:
Geez, 10 pages discussing a discontinued product?? We absolutely love, love, love your passion, guys, but the simple truth of the matter is not enough of you were buying D114 to justify us keeping it in production. That said, D115 Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax is still available, as is the consumer version of it, Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere (including it's newly changed name - yes, NAME ONLY; Ultimate Waterless Wash Anywhere).
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Any chance on partnering with PBMG on making a "small-batch" under anyone of the PBMG line-up?

Not for nothing, this puts a serious dent and learning curve in my detailing business.
 
Michael Stoops said:
Geez, 10 pages discussing a discontinued product?? We absolutely love, love, love your passion, guys, but the simple truth of the matter is not enough of you were buying D114 to justify us keeping it in production. That said, D115 Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax is still available, as is the consumer version of it, Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere (including it's newly changed name - yes, NAME ONLY; Ultimate Waterless Wash Anywhere).
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I agree!! It's gone, no need to obtain the sales figures nor buy the formula from Barry, etc., wipe your tears and either stock up or find a replacement.
 
Mike...how about some guidance on dilution for 115 in terms of rinse less? Also, maybe a lower price?!? ;)
 
Hard for me to believe that D114 was selling slower than ALL the other gallons of Meguair products. Perhaps the profit margins were lower, perhaps there's some funky chemical that's not environmental friendly. Regardless, D114 left my bucket with more black water and dirt than any other rinseless wash. It will me missed!
 
Now we just pushed every manufacturer to "discontinue" all their items to increase sales. Lol. I bought 2 gallons by the way. I don't want my waterless product to have wax in it.
 
Michael Stoops said:
Geez, 10 pages discussing a discontinued product?? We absolutely love, love, love your passion, guys, but the simple truth of the matter is not enough of you were buying D114 to justify us keeping it in production. That said, D115 Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax is still available, as is the consumer version of it, Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere (including it's newly changed name - yes, NAME ONLY; Ultimate Waterless Wash Anywhere).
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I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering - what WOULD it take for Meguiar's to consider bringing it back? ... Now, or some time in the future?
 
I just had a gallon of D114 in my cart... But since I already have a half gallon of it on my shelf I ended up buying a gallon of Megs D181 Leather Cleaner instead.
 
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