Meguiar's M101 Foam Cut-Compound versus Swirls!

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

The reason for my question is that I'm under the impression that the 101 is modeled for the repaint industry.

Correct. It's in their "Professional Line", which is normally targeted at the "Refinishing Industry".

The detailing industry is referred to as the "Reconditioning Industry" and the normal product line for this is the "Detailer's Line".


That said, "we" in the detailing world tend to use whatever we want that gets the job done and I'd say that "Online Detailers", (folks in the Reconditioning Industry), are better represented on forums like this than "Online Painters" or "Online Painter's Helpers", (folks in the Refinishing Industry). Just a guess...


One major difference between products formulated for the two very different markets...

• Detailers can use pretty much any product to get the job done.

• Painters and Painter's Helpers normally are restricted to using products that are "Body Shop Safe", that is products that won't affect surface adhesion when repainting a car nor will contaminate a fresh paint environment.

 

[Vegas Transplant]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

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One major difference between products formulated for the two very different markets...

• Detailers can use pretty much any product to get the job done.

• Painters and Painter's Helpers normally are restricted to using products that are "Body Shop Safe", that is products that won't affect surface adhesion when repainting a car nor will contaminate a fresh paint environment.

10-04.
I get caught up in the semantics. This lays it out perfectly.rops:

 

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

1. FULL SIZE Foam cutting pads on a Rotary Buffer generate a lot of heat fast. From what I know the M101 was originally intended for use for spot repair using smaller pads. At least I think I read something like this posted by Mike Stoops, I could be wrong, someone can check on that if it's important to them.

Spot repair with smaller pads = less heat​

You're right, Mike. As we've stated many, many times, M101 was developed primarily for the European refinishing/collision repair industry where not only the paint is quite a bit different, but so is the operator's workflow. Wool pads are virtually nowhere to be found in Euro body shops, and spot repair is the norm. They think we're a bit odd here in the colonies because we tend to sand the entire panel and then buff it out. To them, that's a waste of time. The do spot repair then a quick buff out with a foam cutting pad that's on the order of just 5" to 6" in diameter. They tend to run their rotary buffers at slower speeds than we do here, and they tend to move them over the paint a bit quicker than we do, too. So M101 was formulated to address those differences. In fact, we even sent Jason Rose and one of our chemists to Europe, along with a sort of "portable lab" so they could do the development work over there. The product itself, however, is still manufactured here in the USA.

Of course, detailing enthusiasts being what they are, some folks decided they had to see what all the fuss was about, so they started importing M101 back from Europe and trying it out with all kinds of tools, pads, techniques on all kinds of paint. Love blossomed, as it were, and so we gave in and are now offering M101 domestically. Rest assured it is the EXACT same formulation as they get in Europe. In fact, when we blend a full batch and bottle it off, all the bottles get the same label (which is technically a European market label) but the bottles destined for US consumption receive an additional sticker to comply with certain US regulatory requirements. We knew that if we changed the label, people would automatically assume we changed what was inside the bottle, and we didn't want that mindset to take hold.

2. My personal practice and what I recommend to anyone else doing any dry sanding, wetsanding or dampsanding is to finish out with the highest grit possible to make the buffing process faster and so you don't generate as much heat.

To anyone even thinking about wet/dry/damp sanding, heed well this advice. It's actually far less invasive to the paint to sand with 3000 grit as a follow up to, say, 1500 grit, than it is to grind away at those 1500 grit marks with a rotary buffer, a powerful compound, and an aggressive pad. And there's no heat to speak of when damp sanding with 3000 grit, which is another big plus.

Those of you who are taking Mike and Autogeek up on this offer to play with M101 using such a wide variety of tools and pads are going to have a blast. A killer product, with a great instructor, in a cool setting (and the car ain't too shabby, either - well, except for the condition of the paint!) - what more could you ask for?!?!​

 

[Smurf]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

We have M101 down here in New Zealand . It is top stuff :xyxthumbs:

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

Thanks for chiming in Mike... :xyxthumbs:

Of course, detailing enthusiasts being what they are, some folks decided they had to see what all the fuss was about, so they started importing M101 back from Europe and trying it out with all kinds of tools, pads, techniques on all kinds of paint.

That's the nature of online detailers and detailing enthusiasts... a wee little bit on the obsessive side...

And there's no heat to speak of when damp sanding with 3000 grit, which is another big plus.

Exactly.

Clear coat paints don't like heat.

Those of you who are taking Mike and Autogeek up on this offer to play with M101 using such a wide variety of tools and pads are going to have a blast.

The car gets here at 4:30 and I'll take a walk-around-video to document the true condition. Next comes out the heat gun and a hair blow dryer as we need to remove the graphics off the paint. This is the slow, kind of boring part of the process that wouldn't be very much fun to broadcast live.

It's alway why I brought down a 1936 Chevy Coupe for pj from Dodo Juice and I to buff out as it's always a little more fun to buff out early iron hot rods with my buddy from Norway...



Swirls shots in the sun...

Polished to a jewel like finish...

Had a little help from MrSkittles TheThird

Here's the wrecking crew... pj, me and my buddy and Pro Detailer from Bogotá, Columbia, Kristhian Salazar

 

[Lowejackson]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

What I like most about M101 is just the sheer polishing range. On a wool pad or normal polishing pad it simply works without fuss and finishes impressively well. I have only used it on a rotary but many seem to get impressive results.

 

[Sunshyne]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

any idea when 101 hits the store?

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

M101 worked AMAZING!

An all original, 13 year old car that sat outside for the last 4 years in South Florida sun, heat and wet weather looks like a brand new car with a brand new paint job.

Simply amazing at how fast M101 cut through years of oxidation, water spots, swirls and scratches to restore a vibrant arctic white color that looks as glossy as wet paint.


When it becomes available, get some.


I give it two thumbs up...


:dblthumb2:

 

[DaC]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

M101 worked AMAZING!

An all original, 13 year old car that sat outside for the last 4 years in South Florida sun, heat and wet weather looks like a brand new car with a brand new paint job.

Simply amazing at how fast M101 cut through years of oxidation, water spots, swirls and scratches to restore a vibrant arctic white color that looks as glossy as wet paint.


When it becomes available, get some.


I give it two thumbs up...


:dblthumb2:

Where's the topic about this project mike ? icture:

 

[Klasse Act]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

I've been away for a while and have heard about this product from another forum member, sounds like another "M" product in my collection when it becomes available! BTW, when will it become available? Also, will this product work good with my 6" GG machine? Thanks inadvance and I love that model T/A!

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Re: Meguiar's M101 Foam Pad Polish versus Swirls!

Where's the topic about this project mike ? icture:

Hmmm.... well didn't finish putting on all the new vinyl graphics till 11:00pm, then did some basic clean-up till 11:30pm.

Came in this morning and finished the cleaning as well as put away tools and started pushing through laundry.

Then... started goinog through all the pictures, cropping, resizing, uploading and inserting...

Here you go...

M101 Foam Cut Compound - 1999 Trans Am Extreme Makeover at Autogeek


Sorry for the delay...



And for anyone reading this into the future wondering how to get the pictures off their camera's memory card and into a thread like above...



If you're going to be a "Forum Person" on ANY forum, help yourself by learning how to work with picture on the Internet

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I've been away for a while and have heard about this product from another forum member, sounds like another "M" product in my collection when it becomes available! BTW, when will it become available? Also, will this product work good with my 6" GG machine? Thanks inadvance and I love that model T/A!

Check with Nick...