Menzerna sealing wax and finishing glaze : Can you jewel paint with these ?

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I ask this question because both of these products have a cut of .5 and a gloss rating of 5 . If there is a small cutting ability with these two products and a high gloss rating , then you should be able to jewel paint .
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If you're definition of jeweling is to polish to a high gloss without leaving any swirls behind then the answer is yes but because the sealing wax and the glaze are both going to fill to some level you would never know if you left a 100% swirl free finish unless you stripped the finish and inspected in bright light. This assumes you're talking about jeweling with a rotary buffer and a soft foam finishing pad.


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Yes it would be with a Makita Rotery buffer . What rpm would you suggest with these two glorious products ?
 
arkus said:
Yes it would be with a Makita Rotary buffer . What rpm would you suggest with these two glorious products ?
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Maybe first define your definition of jeweling with a rotary buffer?

It looks like you post under the name zoraduntov on TID? For some reason I always like it when everyone uses the same name on different forums, it cuts down on confusion. Todd has his definition of Jeweling and he says it's different than Scott's definition in this thread,

M205 and Jewelling/ Burnishing? - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online


I'm guessing Scott is killrwheels over here on Autogeek in the above thread on MOL.


Words mean things and there's different opinions on exactly what the word jeweling means.

What are you working on?
What are you trying to accomplish?

Maybe it's time for someone to write out a specific definition?

:xyxthumbs:
 
I'd skip their glaze honestly. Love the polishes, but Meghan sent me a sample of the glaze, and it was super oily by most comparisons. After a couple days under the wax it started turning splotchy, and you could feel the oils in it if you ran your finger over it.

I applied by machine and hand, and wiped with my nice Supreme 530's, still did this.

PB's black hole works much better.
 
I have used the term jeweling for some time, as a process of final-final polishing in order to try and bring the gloss and reflection up to the next level.

For instance, after polishing with an aggressive polish you often move to a lower polish and lighter finishing pad. This often removes micromarring and leaves a darn nice finish. In my personal use of the term jeweling, I then move to the lightest of polishes and a true finishing pad (think Menzerna 085rd with red pad) as possible and without pressure really try to enhance the look. When done properly the paint looks glossy, reflective, and really mirror like especially on blacks.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
I then move to the lightest of polishes and a true finishing pad (think Menzerna 085rd with red pad) as possible and without pressure really try to enhance the look. When done properly the paint looks glossy, reflective, and really mirror like especially on blacks.
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With a rotary?
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
With a rotary?
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Yes.

I have seen people work P085RD with a DA, but I don't think you are going to get the same effect with a DA as you would with a rotary. Again, I don't think you will. I haven't tested it myself. Just going from what I've seen on here.

I would like to think a 3401 is capable of jeweling.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
With a rotary?
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It would depend what I started with, I dont often switch machines just pads and polishes. I do feel personally, that I have been able to j*ewel (additional gloss, reflection) even with my Flex 3401.

While a DA might not be able to jewel in the same fashion as a rotary, I do think it can add value to what I personally perceive as jeweling. Maybe we should simply call it a 3 step polish, but last step is not really correcting anything.

*I started using the term after watching a jeweler final polish (gem, jewel) my wifes diamond wedding rings. It was amazing what the softest wheel and lightest polish did to amp up gloss and reflection when "I" thought the ring was already done and looked brilliant with no markings or correction needed.
 
zinc02gt said:
Yes.

I have seen people work P085RD with a DA, but I don't think you are going to get the same effect with a DA as you would with a rotary. Again, I don't think you will. I haven't tested it myself. Just going from what I've seen on here.

I would like to think a 3401 is capable of jeweling.
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why not a DA? Just curious
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
*I started using the term after watching a jeweler final polish (gem, jewel) my wifes diamond wedding rings. It was amazing what the softest wheel and lightest polish did to amp up gloss and reflection when "I" thought the ring was already done and looked brilliant with no markings or correction needed.
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Good story, the story background adds to the meaning of the word as it's now used in the detailing world.

:xyxthumbs:
 
I too tried to jewel the paint with a DA and black pad(+85rd) but couldnt get what I was looking for!

So, I can use the black pad(6.5") on the rotary with PO85RD on the min RPM setting with no pressure = jeweling?? :confused:
 
sohail99 said:
I too tried to jewel the paint with a DA and black pad(+85rd) but couldnt get what I was looking for!

So, I can use the black pad(6.5") on the rotary with PO85RD on the min RPM setting with no pressure = jeweling?? :confused:
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In my experience, just using it on the lowest speed setting will not break down the abrasives properly. When using PO85RD for any type of final finishing work, I usually spread it evenly around 1200 RPMs, work it in / break it down around 1800 RPMs, and then "jewel" with a few final passes at 1200. I prefer to specify actual RPMs since different rotary buffers will have different minimum RPM settings.
 
[email protected] said:
In my experience, just using it on the lowest speed setting will not break down the abrasives properly. When using PO85RD for any type of final finishing work, I usually spread it evenly around 1200 RPMs, work it in / break it down around 1800 RPMs, and then "jewel" with a few final passes at 1200. I prefer to specify actual RPMs since different rotary buffers will have different minimum RPM settings.
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Matt, almost the exact number I use!

I used those very same numbers with my Makita 9227 and used a CCS Gold Jeweling pad along with Menzerna PO85RD polish.....:props:
 
BobbyG said:
Matt, almost the exact number I use!

I used those very same numbers with my Makita 9227 and used a CCS Gold Jeweling pad along with Menzerna PO85RD polish.....:props:
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:cheers:
 
After reading the above posts all I can say is: Everything is "clear as mud" as to 'jeweling'. Let me see if I can muddy this subject some more. Is this the definition of 'jeweling': 'jeweling'= [polish the vehicle with (insert name of a polish here); then polish with (insert name of another polish here) that polish; then lastly, (or is it), polish that polish with yet (insert name) another polish.]

Abrade, abrade, abrade.:buffing:
This car's goin' to be in a parade. LOL

The point I'm trying to get to is this:

You guys must be doing paint correction(s) on vehicles with thicker paint than I have the pleasure of doing; everyone of those vehicles are 'show cars'; and you still have'nt found something you like and then use it.

If I may, Mike Phillips has a few reminders for me to think about (and I paraphrase):

a.) Thickness of paint
b.) Are the vehicles daily drivers vs. show cars
c.) Find something you like and use it

Note: Please be kind and thoughtful with your responses.Feed back please
 
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