Menzerna v Meguiars

hernandez.art13 said:
It does help, Thanks Bill.

Question: did you IPA before applying the 845?
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Art, I did not, I was in a huge hurry, it was getting very late and I had to go into work early for a meeting. In a way I was also trying to test the longevity. First time using it and had so many happy reviews. Since this is a DD, I am all about longevity. I guess I will see how that works out. Still a lot more to learn and been working on techniques. As they all say practice makes perfect.

Bill
 
Very interesting thread gentlemen, I'm enjoying the read so far.

May I please ask this question? I see some mention that Meg's 105 seems to be a product that dries quite quickly. Would spritzing the applicator pad, or adding a small addition of a pure water possibly help its workability, and lessen its tendency to dry so fast? (Or a detailer spray on the pad?)

After using WG Total Swirl Remover again a couple weeks ago on the white Tahoe, I seemed to notice too that it was drying sort of fast. Perhaps weather conditions had something to do with it (80's, and 16% Humidity)

It was also an absolute bear to even get out of the bottle, the consistency of Mayonnaise. I'd shake my tookas off just to get a few pea sized drops onto the Pad.

So, I cut it. I used the best purified water I have on hand, a highly purified water I use for rinsing records, and is used as a final step.

This water, sold by a good company called Audio Intelligent Vinyl Solutions-Osage Audio, is claimed to be 40 times more pure than single step distilled, virtually the equivalent of waters used in Kidney Dialysis. What it does for vinyl records is phenominal, and at $18/qt for water it should be as a pure water final rinse.

I figured such waters would be extremely stable, extremely low on any solids-contaminants, and I added about two tablespoons of water to about 6oz of WGTSR and mixed.

It did seem to make the product much easier to get out of the bottle, to use, and seemed to give a bit longer working time to the product.
Mark
 
hernandez.art13 said:
I went from 3M to Meg's

I wonder if 3M is like a horse that you ride.

"3M the Caveman Line" hahaha

No lambasting here as well.

Especially since I have never used the Menzerna polishes. But

3M, Meg's, Menzerna can all get the job done. IMO
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Do you who makes Megs?

3m
 
Wow, noticed my last post above was my 400th! That feels like a nice milestone for me here!

And a whole bunch of fun, and enjoyment, being here with all you great folks! Thank you all again! Mark
 
kevincwelch said:
I've been debating these two types of polishes. I have a new car without too many swirls and a couple of hard-to-see RIDS. My other car is a grey Subaru Outback. It's hard to see swirls (I think because of the color??) and quite a few scratches. This car has been machine washed since day one and probably needs a lot of work.

I'm not very compelled to get every scratch perfect on the Subaru because I have no intention of sanding. On the other hand, I want the Tesla near perfect.

So, I'm looking at a work horse polish combination. I could get both, but since I'm just myself doing my family cars, I don't have a need for a variety of polishes.

Either Menzerna Intro Kit or Megs m105/205. The Megs sound like it might be for more serious defects. I was leaning toward the Menzerna.

Any thoughts? Thank you!

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You are going to detail an $85,000 car yourself. Are you a pro?

Nice car bye the way.
 
MarkD51 said:
Very interesting thread gentlemen, I'm enjoying the read so far.

May I please ask this question? I see some mention that Meg's 105 seems to be a product that dries quite quickly. Would spritzing the applicator pad, or adding a small addition of a pure water possibly help its workability, and lessen its tendency to dry so fast? (Or a detailer spray on the pad?)
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Mark,
Many of the reviews that I have read about the Meg's you do not use water, it will not work to extend the life and will make it extremely difficult to remove. I can say from experience that way back when, when I used a rotary on single stage paint, adding water was a sin. It would make the polish near impossible to get off.

I was looking for something lastnight to add to my wish list, forgot name, who made it, etc.. one of those brain fart things. I was searching the AG Store. There is a company Polycharger Wax Booster, might want to check this out, not to buy, but some good information on chemical make-up of the waxes, there is a chart that shows if it is water based or solvent based. I do not know of a chart like this for polishes, but it is a good read and very interesting, IMO.
There is a lot of really good information on the forum, also check out the right hand column of the forum main page and there are links to many different things.

Congrats on you milestone.:dblthumb2:
 
Megs 105 was originally made for fresh paint with a wool pad and a rotary. 101 is not nearly as fussy nor does it dust as much. The compounds and polishes really are paint dependent.
 
slimnib said:
You are going to detail an $85,000 car yourself. Are you a pro?

Nice car bye the way.
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I know.

The thought had occurred to me that I shouldn't be and I'd regret it.

I've been gaining experience over the past few weeks with my GG polisher and started applying waxes and sealants to get a hang of things. I tried a couple test spots with GG #3 and #4 as well as SwirlX using the DA and hand applicators. I've tested the blackfire wet diamond polish combo.

Plus, with all the advice from you guys, I feel like I have a good foundation. I look at things from this perspective: my first surgical case was on a live person, not a cadaver. Nothing like the threat of ultimate failure to keep your game up.

I think I'm ready. But, I will try my first go at things on the Subaru.

When I looked into the Menzerna options, I went in knowing about their reputation. I'm working with relatively benign polishes, and my car has mild blemishes. Seems like a good start.

:thumbup:

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zmanjohn said:
Art, I did not, I was in a huge hurry, it was getting very late and I had to go into work early for a meeting. In a way I was also trying to test the longevity. First time using it and had so many happy reviews. Since this is a DD, I am all about longevity. I guess I will see how that works out. Still a lot more to learn and been working on techniques. As they all say practice makes perfect.

Bill
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Was just wondering, Thanks
 
kevincwelch said:
I know.

The thought had occurred to me that I shouldn't be and I'd regret it.

I've been gaining experience over the past few weeks with my GG polisher and started applying waxes and sealants to get a hang of things. I tried a couple test spots with GG #3 and #4 as well as SwirlX using the DA and hand applicators. I've tested the blackfire wet diamond polish combo.

Plus, with all the advice from you guys, I feel like I have a good foundation. I look at things from this perspective: my first surgical case was on a live person, not a cadaver. Nothing like the threat of ultimate failure to keep your game up.

I think I'm ready. But, I will try my first go at things on the Subaru.

When I looked into the Menzerna options, I went in knowing about their reputation. I'm working with relatively benign polishes, and my car has mild blemishes. Seems like a good start.

:thumbup:

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If you want a simple and effective punch look into the Wolfgang twins or BlackFire twins. Both lines are made by Menzerna...
 
Pureshine said:
I use both brands the reason for that is not every paint is not the same and I don't believe limiting your self to one brand but that just me.
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This X2. If you detail a lot of different cars, you're eventually going to run into one where your favorite go-to product isn't getting you the results you want (ask me how I know :laughing:). My advice is to find a way to try both lines- be it samples, or if a local friend/acquaintance has them, and decide from there which suits your needs best.

Myself, I just happened upon a couple brand new quarts of Menzerna (PG1000 and PF2500) for a STUPID low price. I'm waiting for the weather to clear up to try them out and find out if they have a place in my lineup. With everything I've heard about Menzerna though, I don't think I'll be disappointed. I do like their lineup though, many different polishes for many different possible situations.
 
kevincwelch said:
I know.

The thought had occurred to me that I shouldn't be and I'd regret it.

I've been gaining experience over the past few weeks with my GG polisher and started applying waxes and sealants to get a hang of things. I tried a couple test spots with GG #3 and #4 as well as SwirlX using the DA and hand applicators. I've tested the blackfire wet diamond polish combo.

Plus, with all the advice from you guys, I feel like I have a good foundation. I look at things from this perspective: my first surgical case was on a live person, not a cadaver. Nothing like the threat of ultimate failure to keep your game up.

I think I'm ready. But, I will try my first go at things on the Subaru.

When I looked into the Menzerna options, I went in knowing about their reputation. I'm working with relatively benign polishes, and my car has mild blemishes. Seems like a good start.

:thumbup:

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Subarus are generally known for having relatively soft paint. I detailed one a while back and landed up only using Menz SF4000 on a black finishing pad to remove the swirls. My advice is therefore to ensure you really do start with your least aggressive combo when doing your test spot on this vehicle.

Finishing off the paint proved somewhat troublesome as even looking at it wrong introduced some scratches.

You may want to attempt your first correction on something a little more forgiving, so to speak.

Just my 2c.
 
TundraPower said:
I'm sure I'll get lambasted for this, but comparing Megs to Menzerna is like comparing a Pinto to a Porsche. Get yourself some Menzerna Power Finish 2500 and be done with it.
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...M101? Arguably cuts harder, finishes nicer, and works faster than FG400. M205? One of the most versatile polishes on the market? I see what you're getting at, but a Pinto to a Porsche? Come on now. Maybe a GT500 to a Porsche.

For the record PF2500 is in my wish list right now, but Meg's deserves far more credit than association with a Pinto.
 
MarkD51 said:
Very interesting thread gentlemen, I'm enjoying the read so far.

May I please ask this question? I see some mention that Meg's 105 seems to be a product that dries quite quickly. Would spritzing the applicator pad, or adding a small addition of a pure water possibly help its workability, and lessen its tendency to dry so fast? (Or a detailer spray on the pad?)

After using WG Total Swirl Remover again a couple weeks ago on the white Tahoe, I seemed to notice too that it was drying sort of fast. Perhaps weather conditions had something to do with it (80's, and 16% Humidity)

It was also an absolute bear to even get out of the bottle, the consistency of Mayonnaise. I'd shake my tookas off just to get a few pea sized drops onto the Pad.

So, I cut it. I used the best purified water I have on hand, a highly purified water I use for rinsing records, and is used as a final step.

This water, sold by a good company called Audio Intelligent Vinyl Solutions-Osage Audio, is claimed to be 40 times more pure than single step distilled, virtually the equivalent of waters used in Kidney Dialysis. What it does for vinyl records is phenominal, and at $18/qt for water it should be as a pure water final rinse.

I figured such waters would be extremely stable, extremely low on any solids-contaminants, and I added about two tablespoons of water to about 6oz of WGTSR and mixed.

It did seem to make the product much easier to get out of the bottle, to use, and seemed to give a bit longer working time to the product.
Mark
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Something is wrong with your bottle of TSR. You shouldn't have to mix it with anything.
 
This is tough because in my mind polishes are the hit of the meguires line - they really have good ones (unlike their LSP's)

But Menzerna is a whole diff level. I use Fg400 and SF4500 as a one two punch and get amazing gloss from everything I touch.

So it all depends on your budget - 105/205 is pretty damn good....
 
hmmm...been using megs 105/205 for a while now (with great success)....also used UC as well...but I may have to buy some 101 and menzerna....after all this talk
 
Well, I purchased both Menzerna and Meguairs polishes. I also just bought a series of Lake Country CCS pads to use along with my GG pads.

So, I'll set up sections on my car and test out both. I guess I'll see what pair is better for my cars.

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I had Megs 105/205, never really liked it. Then I got into Menzerna's line of polishes. I promptly ditched the temperamental 105/205. Just my 2 cents...
 
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