MF Pad System...Devil's Advocate Thread

I don't think any of the testers have argued whether or not the Surbuf/M105 combo cuts better, or that a follow up step the the D300 compound is needed, after all, it is a 2 step system.

Consistent in all reviews is that the D300 finishes down better than the Surbuf/M105, dusting is FAR less, better working time, and wipe off is a breeze.

I've also found the cleaning of the Surbuf's pads is best done with compressed air, so there really is no added time for me using the MF pads.

The MF pads are more durable, hands down!

This system does not replace a rotary, period. It does however allow users (both novice and pro) to get rotary like results without the increased risk of damaging the paint or leaving holograms. This is simply another great tool for a detailer to have in there arsenal.

Spicy I'm well aware of who you observed the testing with, and we both know that he's a little anti DA. I also noticed one of the paints he used it on was also Jet Black, which I believe at least one of the other testers has said he couldn't get it to finish down well on. Of the cars I worked on only two would not finish down without micro marring.

I understand people being a little cynical about this system, but do you really think I or any of the other detailers who tested it would put there reputation on the line to hype a product for something it's not?

Just my $.02
Rasky
 
Rasky,

Question for you. When you say rotary results, but doesn't replace, what is the benefit of rotary for you guys? Is it still speed? That's my guess.

Also wanted to thank you for your review and certainly don't question your integrity. But, I would bet your results are much better than mine whether we are using a foam fingerpad, DA or rotary. haha. I still want youto come over and show me how to polish my black car. :)
 
WestEnd said:
Rasky,

Question for you. When you say rotary results, but doesn't replace, what is the benefit of rotary for you guys? Is it still speed? That's my guess.

Also wanted to thank you for your review and certainly don't question your integrity. But, I would bet your results are much better than mine whether we are using a foam fingerpad, DA or rotary. haha. I still want youto come over and show me how to polish my black car. :)
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Wet sand scratch removal or heavy defect removal on a car with really hard clear. The final finishing step can be slightly better using a rotary on some paints too. :props:

D300/DA + 106fa/rotary = NICE!

Thank you.

Any pad/polish combo takes time to dial in, whether it's a noob or pro using it. IMO this system would be easier to use to a first timer than a diminishing abrasive or even M105/M205 on foam pads.

The fact that they are best cleaned with air is definitely a con to the system, but the target market really is production shops, which will all have air. ;)


Rasky
 
I think this issue is being made over complicated. Kind of like a discussion of which wax is best. No two detailers have the same technique or two cars have identical paint surfaces. If you think the new system or any product in it might be something you would have a use for , by all means give it a try.If not then continue on with what makes ya happy. For myself , I have seen the product used and had a very short hands on trial which has peaked my interest enough to have me want to purchase it and experiment on various surfaces. I don't know of any product that covers all conditions one might encounter. Which means being a hobby or what a person does for a living , multiple products are needed to cover all bases. So whether you believe the hype or not only you can decide if it fits your needs .
 
Flash Gordon said:
I sincerely hope this thread stays on a mature enough level that it doesn't get shut down.
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:iagree: There was another very good thread that recently had to be shut down for exactly this reason and I would HATE to see that happen again here. :props:
 
Hey Flash what failures are you talking about? I mostly use Meguiar's products almost exclusively and I've never had an issue with any of them. I'm interested in the new system and it looks like it'll deliver a good finish in a quick amount of time with less cleanup than the M105 Surbuf or Foam pad combos (easy wipe off, less dust). Can you elaborate on your issues?
 
Me thinks its not the "revolution" but just probably a good system is all.

Havent tried it myself so I am not going to comment on something I have not used.

 
Indy YZF said:
Hey Flash what failures are you talking about? I mostly use Meguiar's products almost exclusively and I've never had an issue with any of them.
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Well either you have had really good luck or only used limited products fromt their lineup as they do have a couple "duds". G110, V2, consumer items, etc.

That company started to sink by the end of 09.

But they must be filthy rich with all the 105/205 they sell and will be laughing to the bank the first two weeks after this system is released.
 
Flash Gordon said:
Its funny to me how little amount of money ppl will sell there reputations for. I hope that bottle of wax and box of pads were worth it, because if this product doesn't perform as well as the testers have claimed, then from this point forward anything they recommend will be suspect

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I can see where you're coming from, and I even agree with your assessment in some areas, but in the case of the MF system specifically it has been stated many times that they've been developing the system for several years, beginning long before 3M had anything to do with Meguiar's.
 
Flash Gordon said:
With all due respect. I only see Nick posting on the Meguiars Forum. So his opinion on the matter is next to worthless IMO

Furthermore, if he is stating that this new system will completely remove the need to use a Ratory, then I know he is blowing smoke
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Spicy McHaggis said:
You literally took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you!
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First off, Nick is a highly experienced, highly sought after professional. Regardless of what forum he spends most of his time on, his opinion on all things detailing does matter.

You didn't read my post correctly. Nick stated in his review that the system all but replaced his rotary. Nowhere did I nor he state it replaced his rotary.



Colin
 
RaskyR1 said:
I don't think any of the testers have argued whether or not the Surbuf/M105 combo cuts better, or that a follow up step the the D300 compound is needed, after all, it is a 2 step system.
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Have you ever had to do 3 steps when using surbuf/M105?
 
Flash Gordon said:
If I run into a car that I know is going to be difficult and the owner is very demanding, I wouldn't waste my time on neither Surbufs or this new system. I would just go straight for the wool and call it a day :buffing:
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Yeah, but unfortunately this customer was on a budget and only paying for a 2-step correction, not 3-4 steps. Me doing the quick intermediate step was not very time consuming and since he was a family friend I was willing to take the extra time

This car on the other had was a full on correction, and like you said, I grabbed to rotary for the initial defect removal, but I also had a LOT more time involved in the job and his budget allowed for a 4-step correction.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-paint-correction-rasky-s-auto-detailing.html
 
This seems like an interesting product. I look forward to other user responses as it becomes more widespread.

Assuming we have a free market, the market will decide its ultimate success. Yes, hyping can cause short term results but the buyers will decide. It does seem to change the focus on a foam/wool pad to a microfiber pad so I wonder how the competition (like Lake Country) will respond with alternative ideas.
 
Flash Gordon said:
I've lost so much respect for Meguiars in the past 12-18 months because of their constant failures. This company is no longer Family run (Barry Meguiar) its run by a board of directors who don't know anything about this business and are only concerned with the bottom line. If they don't improve their methods of operations, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if 3M unloads this company in the next 12-18 months
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Not too sure how you are making these assumptions, but I can assure you first-hand that this is not the case. 3M has barely even touched the internal side of Meguiar's and operations have continued the same as when Meguiar's was family owned.

Flash Gordon said:
Then we get to this new 2011 line. They've been hyping this product since October, and now here it is almost March and there just now releasing it. I remember Stoops last excuse was they forgot to produce the packaging or something lame along those lines. C'mon man, REALLY!!!
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Flash, I don't see what the big deal about the new microfiber system and the supposed delay is. They didn't even announce the system until November, along with all of their other 2011 products. The new products only hit store shelves about a few weeks ago. So what if the microfiber system is a few weeks later. (Mid-February, not March...) Just because they didn't release any details on the system until it hit retailers doesn't mean that it was a delayed and flawed system. I'm positive that all of the details on the system could have been released months ago, but it was a business decision on the part of Meguiar's to not release the details until it became available to the public.

Take it for what it's worth. I'm entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. Just want to make sure people aren't spreading false information. :)
 
Bunky said:
This seems like an interesting product. I look forward to other user responses as it becomes more widespread.

Assuming we have a free market, the market will decide its ultimate success. Yes, hyping can cause short term results but the buyers will decide. It does seem to change the focus on a foam/wool pad to a microfiber pad so I wonder how the competition (like Lake Country) will respond with alternative ideas.
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This will be interesting indeed. We have already seen threads of CG coming out with there version...
 
As far as the new microfiber system goes, I have not yet had a chance to try it out, but I definitely want to give it a shot. I'm not sure why there has been such a resistance or so much doubt of the system, but I guess that's just what happens when new and different products are created.

Heck look at when the DA polisher and foam pad system came out. You had a ton of guys who have been detailing for 35 years not really like the idea, because they had been polishing with a rotary and wool pad, and that worked for them, so why should they want to change? I guess this is a little of the same thing.

My view on there being too much "hype" is that you have to take a look at this from a business stand-point. Your company has a system that they have been working on for about 7 years, trying every last possible combination of materials, and liquid that you can think of, dialing it in to get optimal results. It is time to release the product. Are you going to just release and not say anything? Of course you are going to give it hype. If you didn't, you wouldn't stay in business very long.

I get the sense that many people do not prefer Meguiar's because they make consumer products and you can find them on the shelves of Wal-Mart, so therefore they aren't as good since your average Joe can buy them. I really don't think this is something to be held against Meguiar's, considering their consumer sales proves to be a very successful business model in addition to their professional sales and it by no means should discount the performance of their products.

With so much doubt/ questioning of the new system by people who haven't even tried it yet, why not try the product first and then let us know your experience and what you think. :dunno:

Just my 2 cents.
 
Flash Gordon said:
7 years to release these pads is just plain unacceptable. Whoever was in charge of developing this system has been riding the clock to long. It is time for there head to roll
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Very true that this is a very long time for product development, but none of us know the real situation with the product development. Chances are that it was probably put on the back burner for a while during other product developments. I'm just speculating, but maybe we can get Jason Rose to chime in at some point. I believe that he was an integral part of the team that developed the system.
 
Flash Gordon said:
If I run into a car that I know is going to be difficult and the owner is very demanding, I wouldn't waste my time on neither Surbufs or this new system. I would just go straight for the wool and call it a day :buffing:
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This is where you and maybe ALOT of others differ from my workflow. I grab the sandpaper(3000 Trizact usually) and quickly level the finish of all possible defects. I then use my DA/M105 for the win. :buffing: :pc7424: . You can wool til the cows fly but you're not duplicating a sanded finish.

Case in point (prior to DA MF system mind you):

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Rotary = :nomore:
 
Flash Gordon said:
...On top of that, they've been on backorder for months now. How are they replacing the units that are failing that are under warranty. How does a behemouth of a company like this run out of machines.
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Not to take this thread further off topic. But, I wanted to say that I have been happy with Megs customer service, top notch IME. I unfortunately had the G110v2 electrical cord short that was typical of the early models. I received my new replacement about two weeks ago with free pads of my choice (not mf haha) to offset my shipping costs. The new machine has a beefed up sturdier connection into the unit.

So they have new machines available. I don't have an answer for their backorder.
 
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