MF Pad System...Devil's Advocate Thread

bimmer325! said:
It DOES state however that THIS system is designed for today's clear coat finishes..which means that it may not work "perfect" across the whole paint spectrum.
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Au contraire my friend. This system has been used on single stage paint successfully. See below. :props: I envision this system being more successful and versatile on a variety of surfaces, than not. I can't wait to get my grubby little hands on them. :hungry:

Michael Stoops said:
Heck, even though we're recommending the DA Microfiber Correction System for use on factory cured paint only, that London Cab we did (referenced in the intro post over on MOL) has a 5 year old single stage respray. While that paint was pretty delicate, the system performed beautifully on it.
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You know, guys, I've come to one important conclusion here:

Meguiar's is to detailing, as Apple is to consumer electronics. A very large, very prominent presence that tends to be highly polarizing. People either love them, or hate them with a fervent passion. Not many fall in between.

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Shiny Lil Detlr said:
You know, guys, I've come to one important conclusion here:

Meguiar's is to detailing, as Apple is to consumer electronics. A very large, very prominent presence that tends to be highly polarizing. People either love them, or hate them with a fervent passion. Not many fall in between.

:laughing:
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Have you heard about the mPhone they are coming out with? ;)
 
David Fermani said:
Great to know. What vehicle were you working on, what color was it, how was the finish after SB/105 and what light source did you use for inspection?
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It was a 1999 Saturn SL. The panel that I skipped the 205 step on was a side panel.

When I finished my 105/SurBuf step I checked everything with a Brinkman and an LED light source and saw only very random and isolated marring. I was shocked at how well I thought it had left the finish. However the next morning when I was preparing to start my next step before I got my canopy set up the sun illuminated the side and there were very faint "holograms" (if thats the right term) all across the car. But like I said they came out very easily.

To answer your question when the car was all finished the second day it was still around 1-2 PM. The sun was my light source and I turned it around to check the other side too.
 
For the Flex users out there, here is my feedback on that tool...

I found that personally, I didn't care too much for the Flex and MF cutting disk. Maybe I'm just so used to using the DA and MF disks and I just need to get used to it a bit more. But like Stoops stated above, it won't leave as good of a finish as the DA and 5.5 cutting disks. Leaves a bit more haze, and my biggest aggravation is it's way to grabby. It tends to snatch you around quite a bit more than using the DA. But with the new Flex 4" backing plate coming out, this may be a winner! Who knows? But I will be one of the first in line to get the new backing plate and try it out.

However, the Flex with the new MF polishing disks is absolutely outstanding! It glides along incredibly smooth and effortlessly! None of the same grabby feeling or snatching you around like with the cutting disks. For my customers requesting a 1 step solution on their vehicle, I'll use the Flex with a Polishing pad, and the new Finishing Wax.


Also, I'd like to add(going back to the DA and 5.5 pads), that on about 60% of the details I've performed with this new system, the finish left after using the cutting disk and DA Compound was absolutely outstanding! And didn't even require a final polishing step. I know you're not going to achieve results like this on every single vehicle, but it's nice to have such an outstanding finish from a compound.

Here's a nice close up of a 50/50 shot that I did. This was after 2 passes of the DA Compound and nothing else. No polishing, no wax, nothing. Just the DA Compound applied with the Griot's DA and a 5.5" cutting disk.

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And here is a Viper I did, Griot's DA with a 5.5 Cutting disk with M105. This picture is with a coat of Wolfgang Fuzion on it, but there was no polishing step on this vehicle. One single pass of M105 and a cutting disk left this finish amazing! I know it's kind of hard to tell with this picture, but it's the only one I have loaded up on my Photobucket account at the moment. I hope to have the rest uploaded later today or this evening.


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Anyhow, I hope this helps a little.


Nick
 
In all honesty, this thread is starting to push me away from buying the product. I'm fine with a positive review, I'm fine with a negative review, and I'm fine with the way this thread started. I'm not taking sides but the thread started from the viewpoint of one person witnessing the product in action and stated his opinion. When this thread took a personal turn, and many are guilty, I started losing interest. I understand that the potential loss of sale to just me doesn't matter, but there are lots of people looking at this thread. That's a lot of potential sales that may be lost and after time that adds up. To me the thread has taken on the feel of a sales pitch, something we don't need because we are aware the product will be available soon.
 
If I were to buy the finishing disk, would I be able to get a micromarring free finish without using the finishing wax on a dark car?
 
rwright said:
In all honesty, this thread is starting to push me away from buying the product. I'm fine with a positive review, I'm fine with a negative review, and I'm fine with the way this thread started. I'm not taking sides but the thread started from the viewpoint of one person witnessing the product in action and stated his opinion. When this thread took a personal turn, and many are guilty, I started losing interest. I understand that the potential loss of sale to just me doesn't matter, but there are lots of people looking at this thread. That's a lot of potential sales that may be lost and after time that adds up. To me the thread has taken on the feel of a sales pitch, something we don't need because we are aware the product will be available soon.
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Questions were asked, and answers were given. I don't see anything even close to a sales pitch anywhere in this thread. Heck, I wouldn't have even been in here if my name wouldn't have been brought up by other members. There has been a great deal of information brought to light by this thread. I think Stoops did an outstanding job of laying out the facts of the product when asked, as did other members. I honestly don't see anything that would convince someone not to buy this product because of any of the content. But we all see things differently I guess. That's what makes us all unique!

Nick
 
rfinkle2 said:
If I were to buy the finishing disk, would I be able to get a micromarring free finish without using the finishing wax on a dark car?
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Guess that all depends on the product you're planning to use with the finishing pad.

Nick
 
man all this talk about how awesome they work on the PC is making me want to sell my original PC and my Flex and just buy a new XP..Cause if they work that good i dont know if I will be using my flex again...I guess I will have to figure that out when I get my order in and see how well they work for me
 
rfinkle2 said:
What if I were to use the compound intended for use with the kit?
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So you're asking if you can get a pristine finish, using the finishing pad and the DA Compound?

That's gonna totally depend on your vehicles paint. I did several tests with the finishing pad on the Flex, using a cutting compound, and found that the microfiber material seems to be exactly the same on both the cutting and finishing pads. The only difference between the two would be the foam. Cutting pad being thinner and more dense. Finishing pad being thicker and less dense. It is very possible to cut with a finishing pad and a compound. But the results are going to depend on the vehicle you're working on. I was very successful at cutting using the Flex, finishing pad, and a cutting compound(M105 and DA Compound)

Is that the answer you were looking for?

Nick
 
Nick Chapman said:
So you're asking if you can get a pristine finish, using the finishing pad and the DA Compound?

That's gonna totally depend on your vehicles paint. I did several tests with the finishing pad on the Flex, using a cutting compound, and found that the microfiber material seems to be exactly the same on both the cutting and finishing pads. The only difference between the two would be the foam. Cutting pad being thinner and more dense. Finishing pad being thicker and less dense. It is very possible to cut with a finishing pad and a compound. But the results are going to depend on the vehicle you're working on. I was very successful at cutting using the Flex, finishing pad, and a cutting compound(M105 and DA Compound)

Is that the answer you were looking for?

Nick
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That will do. Thanks for your time.
 
Nick Chapman said:
Questions were asked, and answers were given. I don't see anything even close to a sales pitch anywhere in this thread. Heck, I wouldn't have even been in here if my name wouldn't have been brought up by other members. There has been a great deal of information brought to light by this thread. I think Stoops did an outstanding job of laying out the facts of the product when asked, as did other members. I honestly don't see anything that would convince someone not to buy this product because of any of the content. But we all see things differently I guess. That's what makes us all unique!

Nick
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I truly understand your defense! I agree, we all see things differently and lots of useful information can be found in here. This thread has been a roller coaster, that's for sure. Maybe I'm the only person out of the 3,000+ views that feels a hint of a sales pitch, maybe I'm not. I don't know, maybe I should just let it run its' course. Sorry to get involved.
 
rwright said:
I truly understand your defense! I agree, we all see things differently and lots of useful information can be found in here. This thread has been a roller coaster, that's for sure. Maybe I'm the only person out of the 3,000+ views that feels a hint of a sales pitch, maybe I'm not. I don't know, maybe I should just let it run its' course. Sorry to get involved.
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No no! Don't be sorry! The more we learn about all this, the better off we will all be. People perceive things in different ways. Just like my objections to another members comments, some could say that I may have over reacted a bit. We all see things in different lights. That's what makes us human ;)

But I will admit there have been some tempers that may have flared a bit earlier. But the posts have since been removed, and a couple of people look like they got some time out because of it. I have nothing against anyone in here, and I'm sure Stoops doesn't either. But I think he was the right person to come in the thread and answer some of the questions asked.

Nick
 
rwright said:
I truly understand your defense! I agree, we all see things differently and lots of useful information can be found in here. This thread has been a roller coaster, that's for sure. Maybe I'm the only person out of the 3,000+ views that feels a hint of a sales pitch, maybe I'm not. I don't know, maybe I should just let it run its' course. Sorry to get involved.
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It is a forum. The definition of a forum is a "public meeting place for open discussion". imo, you have no need to apologize to anyone.

I've collected thousands of dollars worth of products (as an enthusiast), many of which, @ least in my opinion, people were afraid to post their true opinions of.

That is the essence of why this thread and an open discussion is important, as long as we all stick to the forum rules and use some common sense when typing.
 
My intent was not to come across as making a sales pitch, but rather to just clarify some misconceptions about the product and answer some direct questions. The 20+ test users who've had their hands on this for several months or more are currently the only people outside Meguiar's who know much about the system, and since they're not chiming in here (other than Nick, of course) I thought I would. We don't want misconceptions and misinformation out there about any product - so if it comes across as a sales pitch, well, then it does.

kronos said:
Au contraire my friend. This system has been used on single stage paint successfully. See below. :props: I envision this system being more successful and versatile on a variety of surfaces, than not. I can't wait to get my grubby little hands on them. :hungry:
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Well, like I said, we stepped outside the design parameters of the system knowing that many of you would too. We got lucky with this particular car - the next respray may not be so cooperative or it could be even better.
 
This is in response to a PM I received from Merlin, but his message box is full and so it won't let me respond!!

He was asking about use of a brush vs compressed air and the number of pads needed, but this is good information for everyone else to know, so here is my response:


I guess there are a couple of ways to approach using these pads, including using 8 per vehicle. But really, you don't need that many. These pads hold up wonderfully and the purchase of a two pack will not only let you finish the entire car, but you can wash and dry them and then do another car. And you can then repeat that whole process 50 or 100 times.

But back to cleaning the pads. You will want to brush out the pad after every section pass, not just after every panel. It really only takes a few seconds each time and it cleans them out nicely. And remember, you once the pad is primed you only need 3 -5 pea sized drops of product for the next section. A little bit goes a very long way, and overusing the product will actually start to cause problems - you'll lose cut, wipe off can become a bit of a problem, and you'll start to see some dusting. Just cut way back on the product usage and you'll be fine.

Mike
 
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