MSDS Mckee's 37 High-Intensity APC+????

Why can't
you just type

a - normL sentence?

Eldorado


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Ceerokz said:
If their liquids and ingredients are proprietary(secret) it won't be in the SDS
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Actually that is not case. It is a legal document and all chemicals other than "inert" ingredients have to be listed.

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3514.html


They specifically address proprietary ingredients, see below. The chemicals have to be listed, they can adjust the estimated ranges.

Mixtures

Same information required for substances.
The chemical name and concentration (i.e., exact percentage) of all ingredients which are classified as health hazards and are:
Present above their cut-off/concentration limits or
Present a health risk below the cut-off/concentration limits.
The concentration (exact percentages) of each ingredient must be specified except concentration ranges may be used in the following situations:
A trade secret claim is made,
There is batch-to-batch variation, or
The SDS is used for a group of substantially similar mixtures.
 
^^^ For All Chemicals Where a
Trade Secret is Claimed:

•Where a trade secret is claimed
in accordance with paragraph (i)
of §1910.1200...
-just a notification saying that:
the specific chemical identity and/or
exact percentage (concentration) of
composition has been withheld as a
trade secret, is required.

https://www.osha.gov/dsg/hazcom/hazcom-appendix-d.html

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&p_id=10103

•Also:
-Appendix E to §1910.1200...
(Definition of Trade Secret)...
sets out the criteria to be used
in evaluating trade secrets.

-Meguiar's T.S. Oils comes to mind. :)


Bob
 
@Eldorado2K- those look like normal sentences to me… Still glass not done, but I'm enjoying the sunshine. Off to Super Girl's softball game now.
@FUNX650- Right on, man! I have seen so many MSDSs is in my life, I know they don't have to list trade secrets, but I wasn't willing to break my leisure to look it up for once. Thanks!
 
Eldorado2k said:
How could a manufacturer judge whether the person asking is "professional" enough to be granted the information or just an average Joe who's part of the general public? Sounds like it would result in discrimination over who's worthy of receiving the information.
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I think the dividing line there would be the possession of Federal TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number), which is what makes you a real business.

Nick@McKees37 said:
(M)SDS information is intended for shipping companies and distributors that purchase our product in bulk. Any consumer-related safety information is on the bottle.
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Pardon me Nick, but as others have mentioned, and as is likely spelled out in the regulations posted by Bob and others, aren't you required to supply an SDS, in addition to shipping companies and distributors, to end-user business entities required to comply with state and federal Right-to-Know laws?

As others have alluded to, if my boss sends me out to the supermarket to get a bottle of Windex to clean the windows, we need to have an SDS for it.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I think the dividing line there would be the possession of Federal TIN (Taxpayer Identification Number), which is what makes you a real business.



Pardon me Nick, but as others have mentioned, and as is likely spelled out in the regulations posted by Bob and others, aren't you required to supply an SDS, in addition to shipping companies and distributors, to end-user business entities required to comply with state and federal Right-to-Know laws?

As others have alluded to, if my boss sends me out to the supermarket to get a bottle of Windex to clean the windows, we need to have an SDS for it.
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If you're using large quantities in the work place, then you absolutely qualify to receive SDS. If you're a keyboard cowboy that likes to play the role of armchair chemist, then absolutely not. Unfortunately the latter describes 99.9% of people that request SDS; they think (M)SDS provides the "recipe" for their favorite car wax. Are they nosy? Sure. Do they think they can make a batch of their favorite wax in their bathtub at home? Possibly. Are they ignorant? Yup. Do they have good intentions with their request? Absolutely not.

SDS information is primarily for proper disposal of large quantities of product to meet OSHA rules and regulations. Contrary to popular belief, it's not a cook book. Any consumer-related safety information is on the bottle.

Does that make sense? :)
 
Nick@McKees37 said:
(M)SDS information is intended for shipping companies and distributors that purchase our product in bulk. Any consumer-related safety information is on the bottle.

:dblthumb2:
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Actually, I hate to contradict, but... in the IDA CD study materials, OSHA standards state that all shops must have MSDS sheets for the products and chemicals they stock. That's what lead to the discussion I had with Mike and PMGB's reason for not automatically giving them with the product, however if one was to call customer support, one could get granted the sheet.

Anyhow, if I learned anything from IDA certification was that we're supposed to have MSDS sheets, and all spray bottles are actually supposed to have labels, legibly describing what is in the bottle... Not a sharpie on the outside that says "wicked good cleanah stuff..." :)
 
paul_g said:
Actually, I hate to contradict, but... in the IDA CD study materials, OSHA standards state that all shops must have MSDS sheets for the products and chemicals they stock. That's what lead to the discussion I had with Mike and PMGB's reason for not automatically giving them with the product, however if one was to call customer support, one could get granted the sheet.

Anyhow, if I learned anything from IDA certification was that we're supposed to have MSDS sheets, and all spray bottles are actually supposed to have labels, legibly describing what is in the bottle... Not a sharpie on the outside that says "wicked good cleanah stuff..." :)
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Paul,

A shop would fall under the category of a business that uses large amounts of any given product.
 
Nick@McKees37 said:
If you're using large quantities in the work place, then you absolutely qualify to receive SDS. If you're a keyboard cowboy that likes to play the role of armchair chemist, then absolutely not. Unfortunately the latter describes 99.9% of people that request SDS; they think (M)SDS provides the "recipe" for their favorite car wax. Are they nosy? Sure. Do they think they can make a batch of their favorite wax in their bathtub at home? Possibly. Are they ignorant? Yup. Do they have good intentions with their request? Absolutely not.
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Jinkies, Scooby Doo. I certainly thought that 99.9% of the people who request an MSDS (SDS) do so because they're required to have one on the jobsite and it is missing from the folder. I guess there are a lot more armchair chemists in the world that I could have ever guessed! Who knew?
 
Nick@McKees37 said:
If you're using large quantities in the work place, then you absolutely qualify to receive SDS. If you're a keyboard cowboy that likes to play the role of armchair chemist, then absolutely not. Unfortunately the latter describes 99.9% of people that request SDS; they think (M)SDS provides the "recipe" for their favorite car wax. Are they nosy? Sure. Do they think they can make a batch of their favorite wax in their bathtub at home? Possibly. Are they ignorant? Yup. Do they have good intentions with their request? Absolutely not.

SDS information is primarily for proper disposal of large quantities of product to meet OSHA rules and regulations. Contrary to popular belief, it's not a cook book. Any consumer-related safety information is on the bottle.

Does that make sense? :)
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I'm sure that most people that request SDS's are "armchair chemists", and I hate to disagree again, but disposal or large quantities is not the primary reason for SDS information, it's for protection of workers, and in a larger view, the community surrounding a facility such as yours that may store large quantities of hazardous chemicals, in the event of say, a fire, where first responders or surrounding residents might be exposed to these chemicals.

https://www.osha.gov/Publications/osha3111.html

Surely you comply with these RTK/Hazard Communication regulations within your own facility and therefore understand other employer's requirements to do the same?

In fact, I would be surprised if the PBMG facility doesn't fall within these guidelines: https://www.epa.gov/epcra/epcra-sections-311-312#covered Of course, the enforcement of that regulation may be delegated to the Florida authorities who may be lax in their enforcement/oversight.
 
With all respect, I also hate to disagree. I'm a very agreeable person by nature . However I used to be an environmental engineer for a large oil refinery, and in doing my EPA, State, and local reports, it was by far easier to request a new one than to gather them from all across the facility. I also remember the frustration when items were marked trade secret. Because then I could not report on specific emissions. Let's just leave it at this: perhaps it is specific to McKee's products that individuals without an end-user safety need request these, in the mistaken hope that they can replicate the formula.

My original sentiment to OP stands: I applaud you for your safety concerns, and remind you that best practice with everything we do is to wear appropriate PPE. And, to be conservative, as an M.D. I would recommend banning any pregnant wives/daughters/girlfriends from the work area while using chemicals.
 
instead of creating a dedicated thread, wouldn't of been more appropriate/easier to e-mail nick in this regard?
 
Nick@McKees37 said:
If you're using large quantities in the work place, then you absolutely qualify to receive SDS. If you're a keyboard cowboy that likes to play the role of armchair chemist, then absolutely not. Unfortunately the latter describes 99.9% of people that request SDS; they think (M)SDS provides the "recipe" for their favorite car wax. Are they nosy? Sure. Do they think they can make a batch of their favorite wax in their bathtub at home? Possibly. Are they ignorant? Yup. Do they have good intentions with their request? Absolutely not.

SDS information is primarily for proper disposal of large quantities of product to meet OSHA rules and regulations. Contrary to popular belief, it's not a cook book. Any consumer-related safety information is on the bottle.

Does that make sense? :)
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Nick, I have to assume you consider me to be an armchair chemist because I'm the OP that was trying to find the SDS sheet for Mckee's APC+.....how did you come to the conclusion that 99.9% of people that request the SDS for chemicals like APC's and Degreasers are trying to gain access just so they can use it as a "cook book" to mix their own products?

I've had eczema and other skin related allergies since I can remember and I have always tried to limit my exposure to harsh chemicals. I have learned over the years how important it is to be mindful of the chemicals that I come in contact with. Whether it accidentally gets on my skin or I breath it in, I have always tried to educate myself and limit my risk. How could you possibly know definitively what mine or anyone else's intentions are?
 
FlyinLow said:
With all respect, I also hate to disagree. I'm a very agreeable person by nature . However I used to be an environmental engineer for a large oil refinery, and in doing my EPA, State, and local reports, it was by far easier to request a new one than to gather them from all across the facility. I also remember the frustration when items were marked trade secret. Because then I could not report on specific emissions. Let's just leave it at this: perhaps it is specific to McKee's products that individuals without an end-user safety need request these, in the mistaken hope that they can replicate the formula.

My original sentiment to OP stands: I applaud you for your safety concerns, and remind you that best practice with everything we do is to wear appropriate PPE. And, to be conservative, as an M.D. I would recommend banning any pregnant wives/daughters/girlfriends from the work area while using chemicals.
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Thank guys for all of the comments. I really did not imagine this being such a polarizing issue, but I appreciate everyones feedback.
 
Nick@McKees37 said:
If you're using large quantities in the work place, then you absolutely qualify to receive SDS. If you're a keyboard cowboy that likes to play the role of armchair chemist, then absolutely not. Unfortunately the latter describes 99.9% of people that request SDS; they think (M)SDS provides the "recipe" for their favorite car wax. Are they nosy? Sure. Do they think they can make a batch of their favorite wax in their bathtub at home? Possibly. Are they ignorant? Yup. Do they have good intentions with their request? Absolutely not.

SDS information is primarily for proper disposal of large quantities of product to meet OSHA rules and regulations. Contrary to popular belief, it's not a cook book. Any consumer-related safety information is on the bottle.

Does that make sense? :)
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I my industry (construction) sds sheets are primarily for employees rights to know what kind of chemicals they are being asked to work with. We just had a safety meeting on it and i believe in addition to supplying sds sheets they are using hazard picture labels on any bottles that use dangerous chemicals. i do understand your point though,
 
FlyinLow said:
With all respect, I also hate to disagree. I'm a very agreeable person by nature . However I used to be an environmental engineer for a large oil refinery, and in doing my EPA, State, and local reports, it was by far easier to request a new one than to gather them from all across the facility. I also remember the frustration when items were marked trade secret. Because then I could not report on specific emissions. Let's just leave it at this: perhaps it is specific to McKee's products that individuals without an end-user safety need request these, in the mistaken hope that they can replicate the formula.

My original sentiment to OP stands: I applaud you for your safety concerns, and remind you that best practice with everything we do is to wear appropriate PPE. And, to be conservative, as an M.D. I would recommend banning any pregnant wives/daughters/girlfriends from the work area while using chemicals.
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yeah agree, a lot has changed since even a few years ago but 99% of people requesting sds sheets are certainly not wanting to duplicate a product, maybe 99% ofpeople that request them from mckees but i doubt it very much
 
mwoywod said:
Nick, I have to assume you consider me to be an armchair chemist because I'm the OP that was trying to find the SDS sheet for Mckee's APC+.....how did you come to the conclusion that 99.9% of people that request the SDS for chemicals like APC's and Degreasers are trying to gain access just so they can use it as a "cook book" to mix their own products?

I've had eczema and other skin related allergies since I can remember and I have always tried to limit my exposure to harsh chemicals. I have learned over the years how important it is to be mindful of the chemicals that I come in contact with. Whether it accidentally gets on my skin or I breath it in, I have always tried to educate myself and limit my risk. How could you possibly know definitively what mine or anyone else's intentions are?
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You are the 1%, lol jk
 
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