My new GG Boss 15 review - more questions than answers

Well it was a good thread and I'm sorry it turned out this way. This is the second thread where you wished this onto someone, enjoy your vacation
 
Car looks great.

I did my white Tundra this weekend with the G15 and also found it to be an awesome, awesome tool.

I used WG Total swirl remover with a LC Flat orange pad and finished down with Poor Boy's polish with sealant using a white LC Flat pad. Both 5.5" pads.

Came out quite better this time vs. the last time I did it with just the 'ol PC...

I too struggled a bit on the vertical panels, but after giving it some thought I am wondering if keeping the force/pressure on axis with the rotation of the pad wouldn't help that out.

Definitely a great tool and wouldn't hesitate to purchase again.
 
S4Dallas said:
Since people are incapable of staying on topic, can a mod please lock this thread?

I did not post this review for bashing Rupes, Griot's, Flex or any other company. It was meant to highlight my PERSONAL experience using the Boss vs the Flex.
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There's no innovation in relabeling a copy of a copy and anyone who tries to justify that has questionable ethics and principles. Rupes and Flex=Authentic.
 
May not be the detail world but Ford came out with Sync,Chrysler with UConnect and GM with Intellilink. Coming from someone that has had over 40 brand new vehicles from the Big 3 since 2001 I can list a lot of "copies". From my diesels to the Vettes I've had since '01.
 
Zubair said:
There's no innovation in relabeling a copy of a copy and anyone who tries to justify that has questionable ethics and principles. Rupes and Flex=Authentic.
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Besides Rupes and Flex what else fits your description? Who was the first to come out with the clay mitts? Who made the first waffle weave? My point is this whole industry is based on copying or "tweaking a product",I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's the way of the world unfortunately. This post had some good first hand experience for people interested in the BOSS ie balance of the machine,trigger action, tendency to stall. The Boss threads are approaching Zaino type fanaticism
 
Zubair said:
There's no innovation in relabeling a copy of a copy and anyone who tries to justify that has questionable ethics and principles. Rupes and Flex=Authentic.
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I bought a G15 and love it....never had or used a Rupes so can't comment there. I will say though seems people love the Griot's. If they took the Rupes design and improved on it then great fro them...no law against that. Time for Rupes to go back to the drawing board and make improvements on the original. Then Griot's can take another step and so on so fourth. If people like it and it's their money WHO CARES!
 
RaskyR1 said:
I'm sorry, I try to stay away from replying to comments like these, but you've clearly not had both tools side by side, nor do I feel you've even taken the time to look closely at all the positive reviews online. Side by side the only thing on these tools that are the same is the size of the offset. The shroud may be very similar in shape as is the counterbalance, aside from that every feature of this tool is different and designed to be more comfortable and ergonomic. Griot's won't deny taking inspiration from the Rupes, but to sit here and say it an exact copy is just plain ignorant and holds about as much water as saying all cars are copies because they have 4 wheels.

....and that "unprecedented shape" just happens to be similar to every rotary polisher I've ever seen.

Looking at the excellent pics in haris300's review, I can't see how anyone can sit here and say it's a copy...:rolleyes:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...garage-boss-g21-review-18-year-old-miata.html
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Zubair said:
The GG isn't a copy of the Rupes. The DAS6 Pro Plus and DAS 21e are copies of the Rupes. The GG inturn is a copy of the DAS. Google it and see for yourself, power output,design,everything the same.The DAS was out a year before the GG, GG just chose different colours and a BOSS badge upfront.
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Feed back please
 
My point is don't compare the Boss to the Rupes, compare the Boss to the machine it was copied from which was originally the Rupes copy. Cough...DAS...cough...

You guys keep talking improvement and innovation but the Chinese will sell the copy to anyone and change the colour and name for enough money. GG Boss/DAS or whatever other name/s this machine goes by is flooded on the internet, and available in 110/230v. Some chose blue,some chose red. I think I should visit the company in China and distribute here in SA in yellow and brand it GRUPELLO claiming how well I designed and improved it.
 
Zubair said:
My point is don't compare the Boss to the Rupes, compare the Boss to the machine it was copied from which was originally the Rupes copy. Cough...DAS...cough...

You guys keep talking improvement and innovation but the Chinese will sell the copy to anyone and change the colour and name for enough money. GG Boss/DAS or whatever other name/s this machine goes by is flooded on the internet, and available in 110/230v. Some chose blue,some chose red. I think I should visit the company in China and distribute here in SA in yellow and brand it GRUPELLO claiming how well I designed and improved it.
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Well Griot did it with the GG6, why not with the G15/21?
 
If you happy with a rebranded copy of a copy, who am I to argue.
 
BK11 said:
As a neutral onlooker I'd like to say that you haven't exactly taken the high road in numerous of your responses. You seem to be oblivious to that. So you are as much to blame for the direction the thread took as any of the people you blame.
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:iagree:
 
jetman624 said:
Car looks great.

I did my white Tundra this weekend with the G15 and also found it to be an awesome, awesome tool.

I used WG Total swirl remover with a LC Flat orange pad and finished down with Poor Boy's polish with sealant using a white LC Flat pad. Both 5.5" pads.

Came out quite better this time vs. the last time I did it with just the 'ol PC...

I too struggled a bit on the vertical panels, but after giving it some thought I am wondering if keeping the force/pressure on axis with the rotation of the pad wouldn't help that out.

Definitely a great tool and wouldn't hesitate to purchase again.
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Thanks. Griots did a nice job with the tool.

It's great to see a company creating competition in a marketplace and forcing other companies to make new and better products to stay competative.

Consumer always wins when there is more choice.
 
It's interesting reading the opinions on this thread. Personally, I recognize that the GG looks very similar (as does the new Meguiar's DAP and the Chemical Guys DAP) to the Rupes. Perhaps some people are upset that the prior GG model was in a more affordable price range and now it isn't. To be competitive, often you have to price in a competitive range in order to avoid looking like the "cheaper alternative." If the GG15/21 was copied right down to the circuit board, so what?

Time will tell if the GG15/21 stand up to the quality that Rupes and Flex have displayed. Time will tell if their new pads and system can take the punches like the others can.

If you have a Rupes and it does what you need, then let Rupes deal with any potential copycat business.

Although I'm not in the market for a BOSS, I certainly would look at it even though I have a Rupes. I'm thankful that there are a number of people on this thread who are going out to get the BOSS and trying it out. If in the end the BOSS is better than the Rupes, then GG has improved upon the Rupes design. If not, then it will be back to the drawing board for GG.

Steve Jobs: "Good artists copy; great artists steal." That quote would later go on to be clarified, but it speaks to the fact that innovation is built upon the successes of predecessors.
 
VISITOR said:
:iagree:

i sold my rupes and for me the the flex does everything I need it to, there are times where the forced rotation comes in handy...
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Hi guys. Thanks for all the advice. As of now I'm going to keep both units.
 
Rsurfer said:
Feed back please
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I've not held the DAS6 Pro Plus or the DAS 21E so anything I say is speculation based on info I've gotten from others and my own research on who is making these tools.

With that being said, I have held the off the shelf Maxshine MS-L21 and seen images of it disassembled. I'm not sure what they changed in the DAS Pro Plus, if anything, but I think it's pretty obvious they are the same plastics, and likely based on the same tool. If you look at the design you will see the handle is very similar to the Flex 3401, while the head is very similar to the Rupes...they did tweak the edges on the main body a little as they are more rounded off. Build quality was not the best but it definitely was more compact with the Flex style handle. The trigger was no where near the quality the Flex has though and it was easy to pinch your finger between the trigger and the plastic just in front of it. The plastic/rubber on the head is rather hard and IMO cuts into your hand more then comforting it.

The DAS 21E and the AnsiAuto Tools have plastics that are pretty much exactly like the Rupes. The AnsiAuto tool I looked at had poor fit and finish, felt cheap, and the internals were of low quality. I've also seen detailed images of these tools disassembled. With the above being said, all of these tool will still perform very well and at a much lower cost. However, that lower cost likely comes at a price and long term durability would be a concern and the smoothness and comfort were not on par with the Rupes and Griot's machines.

Just my $.02
 
RaskyR1 said:
I've not held the DAS6 Pro Plus or the DAS 21E so anything I say is speculation based on info I've gotten from others and my own research on who is making these tools.

With that being said, I have held the off the shelf Maxshine MS- changed in the DAS Pro Plus, if anything, but I think it's pretty obvious they are the same plastics, and likely based on the same tool. If you look at the design you will see the handle is very similar to the Flex 3401, while the head is very similar to the Rupes...they did tweak the edges on the main body a little as they are more rounded off. Build quality was not the best but it definitely was more compact with the Flex style handle. The trigger was no where near the quality the Flex has though and it was easy to pinch your finger between the trigger and the plastic just in front of it. The plastic/rubber on the head is rather hard and IMO cuts into your hand more then comforting it.

The DAS 21E and the AnsiAuto Tools have plastics that are pretty much exactly like the Rupes. The AnsiAuto tool I looked at had poor fit and finish, felt cheap, and the internals were of low quality. I've also seen detailed images of these tools disassembled. With the above being said, all of these tool will still perform very well and at a much lower cost. However, that lower cost likely comes at a price and long term durability would be a concern and the smoothness and comfort were not on par with the Rupes and Griot's machines.

Just my $.02
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:props:
 
You did a great job on that paint, hope you enjoy your new S4
 
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