need help quick, in the middle of a detail menzerna drying way way too fast..help

Nica said:
I don't I agree with your statement, I use my Menzerna products with my Metabo rotary and I've never had any problems with any of my Menzerna products. But that's just me and please don't take this as a challenge just stating my opinion that's all, I mean no disrespect.
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I understand what you are saying and now that you are pointing it out I realize my phrasing is easily misinterpreted. It was not meant to say using Menzerna with powerfull tool leads to problems. Obviously, rotary is very powerfull tool and using Menzerna with it does not lead to problems. After all, it is meant to be used with rotary.

What I meant is "using random orbital that is much more powerfull than PC".

My rotary experience, esepcially with Menzerna, is very limited but I have not experienced quick drying up in such combo. I have not experienced quick drying up of Menzerna with PC either. However, I did experience it with Festool on higher speeds.
 
Oh okay I gotcha ZoranC, thanks for sharing :D
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
what are you giving up on,were you trying to do something?:confused:
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Yes, I was trying to help you, just like many try and then you make them feel like a fools for doing so, whether it is this, or that engine wash thread ("I don't say you guys don't know but I did not hear it on the forums so it's possible you don't know"), or something else (aren't you the same guy that was driving Mike Phillips on MO up the wall? based on nickname, cars you "detail", and age group I am thinking you are).

Let me try to point out few things to you before I call it a night.

Thejoyofdriving said:
on setting 5 its going to to spin just as fast as the pc.
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Thejoyofdriving said:
both the pc and the festool orbit at around 5000 opm on speed 5 so i dont see his point.
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Just because they have same OPMs that doesn't mean they both work that polish equally hard. Even if we assume same throw and orbit pattern 4amp tool will be working "weaker" than 6amp tool. Everyone knows PC is easy to bog down at speed 5. You can grab it and stop it by hand. You already know you can not bog down Festool at 5. I do not advise you to try stopping it by hand.

So, that ends that discussion with strong suggestion that just because you can not see something first ask yourself is that because you do not have enough knowledge or experience on the subject before dismissing it.

Thejoyofdriving said:
i dont see why it would dry faster with the festool.
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It does not matter whether you, or anyone else for that matter, can see it why or not. What matters is answer to question does it dry faster with Festool than with PC or not. That is all that matters. Take a PC (not UDM) with 6" backing plate and 6.5" pad and take Festool with identical pad, use equal amount of polish on speed 5 and use them both within 15 minutes of each other in equal manner (arm speed, pressure, etc) and if dries faster with Festool then it dries faster with Festool. It could be due to higher local heat, it could be due to whatever, what matters most is does it try faster and if yes take that into account until you can find out why. In the meantime end of story.

In the end I understand you are just a kid and we should all maybe cut you some slack. However, man, with an attitude like that it is really hard to do so. I too am just learning but boy do I hope when I ask my questions around that I am not coming across to people that are patient to teach me errors of my ways like you are. Otherwise I owe them huge apology.
 
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Thejoyofdriving said:
i think i am going to call menzerna on monday and ask them WTF is up with their product.
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THEIR PRODUCT??? Menzerna is a very popular and respected product line, and I would suspect technique issues are at play here. I would suggest that you describe to them the problems you are having and ask for help.

Also, have you even tried Al's suggestion? or ZoranC's? or are you just blowing them off because they don't fit with your pre-conceived notions?

It would be nice to be able to pick up any machine, any polish, any pad and do one pass ready for LSP on any paint, but that is not how it works. This activity seems to involve a lot of variables, and can be frustrating. If you have found another set of products that works for you, maybe it is better to stay with them for a while, until your confidence grows.
 
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hey guys if your polish is too powdery theres too much cutter in the formulae and if its drying out too quickly the've put too much solvent in the formulae.Best way to check a polish is to smear it on a spare hood sideaways in the one direction a few times with your finger then wipe it off with a microfibre cloth if it dulls then its a crap polish.
 
Boy this is one thread with alot of anger
Menzerna and I met in 2004 and I've never looked back
Obviously my experience is with a rotary and I apply it to the paint, not the pad

Don't start with a six inch line as that's way too much. One to two blobs of it on the paint is enough for a front guard or half a door.
With 85RD, you have worked it a little too long when it leaves balls of gummed product on the paint or is really hard to remove
106FF does not do this.

Those learning to use menzerna need to understand that it's a temperature mental product and some paints just won't like it
Every car is different and it is possible that your paint is not wax, silicone or contamination free. With any menz product, if it is drying really quickly, you need to re clay the paint and also go over it with prepsol.

It does take time to master the menz line but I wouldn't detail without it
As a fellow true pro in Queensland said to me. If it dusts more than it does on warm to hot days or dries too fast, even after prepsol, don't use it on that vehicle or switch to a different Menzerna product
 
Originally Posted by coupe
This kid is amazing lol

Yet enthusiastic and lovable.

Like so many young people (and I was no different) he just needs to learn to listen and stop arguing with contributors with more knowledge who's experience tells him something he either doesn't want to hear or disagrees with his view.

Grasshopper; listen and learn, you need experience to become proficient at anything. One day you can return the gift of knowledge / experience by teaching others.

**Each one teach one - then student becomes the teacher** :cheers:
 
TOGWT said:
Originally Posted by coupe
This kid is amazing lol

Yet enthusiastic and lovable.

Like so many young people (and I was no different) he just needs to learn to listen and stop arguing with contributors with more knowledge who's experience tells him something he either doesn't want to hear or disagrees with his view.

Grasshopper; listen and learn, you need experience to become proficient at anything. One day you can return the gift of knowledge / experience by teaching others.

**Each one teach one - then student becomes the teacher** :cheers:
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There is a difference between discussing and arguing.
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
There is a difference between discussing and arguing.
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Now if you could only put that difference in practice you would be discussing with us.
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
it is like 65F , i am working inside, the paint is cool to the touch.
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i worked in direct sunlight on a 90degree day using IP with no dryin out issue. i used IP and Micro Polish on this panel and both stand plenty wet for me. they both went clear. worked only for like 1-1.5minutes
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I used mine today, no problems, I always mist the pad with a little QD when using Menzerna IP
And clean your pad often.
 
Wow, I don't know how I found it either!
I don't remember what I was searching for when I ran across this and obviously didn't see the date on this old gem!
 
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