*NEW* BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Coating!

[tedj101]

I wouldn't get hung up on coatings durability claims. Anybody that can go two years with a daily driver without putting a polisher to the paint (thus wiping out the coating) is not of this earth.

That's the problem that I have with coatings. I find I have to polish the car more often than one would otherwise have to recoat the car. I coated my daughter's car for her last Summer. I just noticed that there are little scratches on her doors from parking lot encounters. I told her I would have to do some polishing once it gets warm. Fact is, I'll have to do some coating too.

Because of this, when I do an LSP for someone else, I use a coating, but when I do my own cars, I use a sealant - I just love the look of BF all surface paint sealant topped with crystal seal.

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[Rsurfer]

That's the problem that I have with coatings. I find I have to polish the car more often than one would otherwise have to recoat the car. I coated my daughter's car for her last Summer. I just noticed that there are little scratches on her doors from parking lot encounters. I told her I would have to do some polishing once it gets warm. Fact is, I'll have to do some coating too.

Because of this, when I do an LSP for someone else, I use a coating, but when I do my own cars, I use a sealant - I just love the look of BF all surface paint sealant topped with crystal seal.

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:iagree: Why spend so much on permanent coatings (5+ yrs.) that I will just polish off. Just doesn't make much sense to me. A semi permanent coating (1-2 yrs) would be good enough.rops:

 

[HateSwirls]

That's the problem that I have with coatings. I find I have to polish the car more often than one would otherwise have to recoat the car. I coated my daughter's car for her last Summer. I just noticed that there are little scratches on her doors from parking lot encounters. I told her I would have to do some polishing once it gets warm. Fact is, I'll have to do some coating too.

Because of this, when I do an LSP for someone else, I use a coating, but when I do my own cars, I use a sealant - I just love the look of BF all surface paint sealant topped with crystal seal.

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Some of my customers don't really care if swirls or present or not, they're more concerned with protection.

But I get your drift, for me I want my paint close to perfect as I can get it but not every person is insane as I am when it comes to swirls.
I Hate Swirls. :dblthumb2:

 

[Crashpuppy]

Sounds like an intriguing newcomer in the coating derby, but I have a question or two about maintaining it.

1. Since Nick noted that it doesn't like sealants or waxes on top of it, I assume that something like BF Crystal Seal as a top-up would not be a good idea. If that is the case, what would be the recommended aftercare to keep the signature BF gloss going?

2. Would the BF rinseless wash be OK for regular washing? If not, what do you suggest? I need a rinseless something-or-other, thanks to the joys of condo living.

Being a breaking-down middle-ager with a crappy ticker, the infrequent application is a great attraction, but I want to make sure that I can keep the look and protection without making the ongoing care more involved than just using Crystal Seal alone would be.

Great thanks in advance for your insights!

 

[fly4food84]

Can chemical guys V7 or detail spray with a wax be a no no with this?

 

[cardaddy]

Wow! 3-4 cars off the 4oz, pretty sold on that.

That's pretty much the norm for a coating of this genre.
Generally you'll use 1oz~1½oz per vehicle.

I'll try and make it simple...

BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat is a quartz-based glass coating, where Black Label Diamond Paint Coating is a nano-glass formula. BLACKFIRE's formula contains more "solids" and thus forms a thicker film on the surface. It requires a little more time to apply because more of the ingredients are left on the surface when you apply it (not a spray, and the carrying agent is completely different). I would say the application compares to Gtechniq C1 Crystal Lacquer.

Black Label will leave the surface slicker, and the film of protection that it provides is thinner and more flexible (thicker films become brittle as they begin to wear off). Of course thicker is a relative term, and don't take it literally when I use the word "brittle," because it's not like chunks of coating are going to begin to flake off over time.

Another difference, BLACKFIRE's formula does not work well when topped with a wax or sealant. If you're a wax lover, stick with Black Label. If you want to set it and forget it, then BLACKFIRE is the way to go.

We take customer feedback very seriously, which is why we decided to introduce a prep product in the form of a spray - BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Prep.

After you've clayed and polished the vehicle to remove above and below surface contaminants, simply spray Crystal Coat Paint Prep directly onto the surface and wipe clean with a soft, clean microfiber towel. This step is arguably the most important because it removes polishing oils, fillers, old waxes, finger prints, smudges, and other contaminants that would prevent the coating from bonding.

You guys are going to love these new offerings from BLACKFIRE.

Good to know Nick. rops:

So, you're saying it's similar to GTechhiq C1, but not EXO? And both of those suggest being layered, one with the other, and one/both with the sealant v3.
Oh, and while we're there... any idea(s) from those guys about what/why/when/where EXO went to? (As in can we expect v3, or even v2 to ever show up again?)

I'm just wondering.... but this is to say that it'll not play well with any spray sealant/drying aide?:dunno: That's where I'll run into trouble as I'm always putting some sort of QD spray, polymer spray (WG or BF), Megs 156 or DG 951 on something, somewhere, somehow, sometime.


And... if I can tell ya' where the typo is/was on the product page can I get a free bottle?

Go back to the first post of this thread, text that was pasted from the product page.

>>>>>From BF's Crystal Coat Paint Coating product page:

BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Coating is the long lasting paint protection formula you’ve been waiting for! This unique formulation of quartz-based glass particles creates an incredibly durable, glasslike layer of protection over your vehicle that lasts for years (yes, years!). BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Coating will leave your vehicle creating whiplash for up to two years!

At one time, the most effective, longest lasting protection for your vehicle was only available in a synthetic paint sealant, and true-blue carnauba fans couldn’t get on board with the artificial looking shine that the earliest sealants produced. A lot has changed since those days, and with the advent of quartz-based vehicle coatings, you can get unmatched protection and incredible shine for longer than you thought possible. BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat Paint Coating will protect your vehicle form airborne pollutants, moisture, UV rays, and just about any other environmental contamination that it faces on the road—all for up to two years!..... <<<<<​

Second paragraph, last sentence, 10th word.
Use of the word "form", rather than "from".

Just bill me for the prep spray, and send my free bottle of coating and we'll call it even.
Besides... I have a birthday in a couple weeks. Im the MAN

 

[fly4food84]

I'm considering returning this Blackfire coating since it can't be washed or sprayed with detailer spray.

 

[281]

I'm considering returning this Blackfire coating since it can't be washed or sprayed with detailer spray.

Should be fine with those, its the waxes and sealants that are the issue...

 

[Krwtek1]

Just ordered mine last night. Will be applying it this next weekend. Upkeep looks like it is just a good bath and a spray detailer? As this will be my first experiance with a coating i guess i will make up my mind if i am a coating guy or not after seing how this stuff performs.

 

[spiralout462]

I'm considering returning this Blackfire coating since it can't be washed or sprayed with detailer spray.

What are your concerns? Will the coating somehow dissolve, melt, or catch on fire? I don't think so.

 

[VP Mark]

Ok, I apologize if this has been answered, but how many vehicles could be done with the 8 oz. Bottle?

 

[JHL88]

It Should be compatible with PBL booster and detail spray if i had to guess.

 

[cardaddy]

I'm considering returning this Blackfire coating since it can't be washed or sprayed with detailer spray.

It can be washed, everything can be washed.

What are your concerns? Will the coating somehow dissolve, melt, or catch on fire? I don't think so.

Nope, nobody said it'll catch fire. But what Nick did say is you can't put anything on top of it. WHICH is why I asked in my earlier reply just that question. Considering he said earlier "the application compares to Gtechniq C1 Crystal Lacquer". Gtechniq specifically says that they want you to top C1 with C2v3 "sealant". In fact, Autogeek will only sell you C1 in a package WITH C2v3.

Of course we know that C1 as well as EXO have been/are quite often layered with one another. And sometimes all three have been applied to great success. The problem is EXO has been unavailable since last summer!

My question is if this new Blackfire product "compares" to C1 in both composition and application, then it goes to reason that it should be okay to top it with some sort of 'synergistic' product. Be that from another Blackfire bottle, or a 'sealant' that is known to play well with a "quartz-based glass coating" (such as C1 Crystal Lacquer) say.... C2v3. :dunno:

So far, what we DO know is AG says don't top it with anything. That (for me at least) at this time is enough to keep me from buying it. Not that I don't WANT it (badly), but until I know I can put something on it (after washing at least) during the many MANY months it'll be on a vehicle (in hopes to gain a bit of extra pop, sizzle, jazz, slickness, gloss, shine, etc.) then my credit card will at least be getting a bit of a temporary reprieve.

OTOH, should it end up being most similar to the aforementioned Gtechniq trio I might be best suited to building a bigger doghouse in which to reside, post haste.

 

[fly4food84]

I've got too many detail sprays that contain some sealant (V7) and wax (Adam's), etc. I'm going with PBL Surface Coating for piece of mind. I'll use the booster once a month or so.

 

[cardaddy]

Ok, I apologize if this has been answered, but how many vehicles could be done with the 8 oz. Bottle?

Yup Mark, Kevin said back on page 5 that according to Nick, 1 ounce (or so) per car. (Said 3~4 cars for the 4oz bottle.) Figured that's typical for any coating out there.

If this stuff is thicker (aka C1 per Nick) and perhaps OC then it may be on the lesser end of the scale, but I'd still think 2 vehicles of any size per vehicle (with plenty of heavy coverage) would be in order.

 

[BfisherNC]

I love Blackfire products - I have a garage full (along with some DP). I purchased this and plan to do the wife's Beemer today.

Couple quick assumptions hoping someone can confirm (after reading the thread I'm not clear):
1) I can use this on wheels also. I also have DP Wheel Coating - am I better off using one vs the other? I plan to use BF CCPC on the wheels
2) I should avoid the glass with this. I have DP Glass Coating which I plan to use on glass
3) I can continue to use BF Wet Diamond Waterless Wash to maintain the car without issue
4) I can continue to use BF Wet Diamond Polymer Spray when I want to boost the shine
5) I should avoid using BF Crystal Seal Paint Sealant once this is applied
6) I should avoid using BF Total Polish and Seal once this is applied

Doesn't look like many have used this product yet so I'm happy to post some pics and feedback once I'm done later today

 

[Nick McKees37]

I love Blackfire products - I have a garage full (along with some DP). I purchased this and plan to do the wife's Beemer today.

Couple quick assumptions hoping someone can confirm (after reading the thread I'm not clear):
1) I can use this on wheels also. I also have DP Wheel Coating - am I better off using one vs the other? I plan to use BF CCPC on the wheels
2) I should avoid the glass with this. I have DP Glass Coating which I plan to use on glass
3) I can continue to use BF Wet Diamond Waterless Wash to maintain the car without issue
4) I can continue to use BF Wet Diamond Polymer Spray when I want to boost the shine
5) I should avoid using BF Crystal Seal Paint Sealant once this is applied
6) I should avoid using BF Total Polish and Seal once this is applied

Doesn't look like many have used this product yet so I'm happy to post some pics and feedback once I'm done later today

1. You can use it on wheels, and it will last longer than DP Wheel Coating.
2. Crystal Coat is not designed for glass. Stick with DP Glass Coating.
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. Crystal Seal can be used as a "maintenance" product. It dries clear and will not clog the pores of the coating.
6. Yes.

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[BfisherNC]

Perfect -- thanks for the quick response!

 

[d33p]

Dying to see pics/impressions of the product. I love anything BF.

 

[cardaddy]

I've got too many detail sprays that contain some sealant (V7) and wax (Adam's), etc. I'm going with PBL Surface Coating for piece of mind. I'll use the booster once a month or so.

You can't go wrong with PBL coating at all. :dblthumb2:
I would say however that you DO NOT need to apply the 'booster' every month. I've found if it's on a dark color, such as metallic blacks and solid blacks it'll actually make it look like it's smeared and discolored. The only way to fix it sometimes is a light polish then re-apply the coating (starting all over).

BLACKFIRE's formula does not work well when topped with a wax or sealant...

So no sealant on this new coating product.
Uhhhh that's a big maybe though. :dunno:

4) I can continue to use BF Wet Diamond Polymer Spray when I want to boost the shine
5) I should avoid using BF Crystal Seal Paint Sealant once this is applied

4. Yes.
5. Crystal Seal can be used as a "maintenance" product. It dries clear and will not clog the pores of the coating.

OK, so it seems that you actually CAN put both a polymer spray sealant/wax AND a WOWA type sealant on top of the new Blackfire coating.


From the Deep Gloss Spray Sealant / Polymer Spray page:
"A better solution is BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Polymer Spray (Sealant/Wax)....
This spray-on paint sealant....
Each bottle of BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Polymer Spray is packed with Wet Diamond polymers making this an excellent stand-alone sealant as well!

Technically, BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Polymer Spray is a spray wax but the truth is, there is no "wax" in the product. It contains the same fantastic gloss and bonding polymers used in Blackfire Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection and Midnight Sun Paste Wax. "

Boosted with Polycharger, BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond Polymer Spray offers tremendous cross-linking capabilities


From the Crystal Seal page:
"BLACKFIRE Crystal Seal is a paint sealant coating....
Its protective properties are like a sealant but better. As soon as Crystal Seal touches the paint, it begins cross-linking to armor your vehicle. This micro-thin coating...

BLACKFIRE Crystal Seal is a paint sealant in its truest form."


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Which makes one wonder... could you actually use a WOWO sealant as well? Although originally it was said not to use anything. :dunno:

Remember, "thin is in" and there simply isn't any reason AT ALL to put big thick layers of the excellent sealants from Blackfire, Wolfgang, Meguiar's, Menzerna, etc. on anything these days.

With the above description saying that the polymer spray actually has the same ingredients in it as Blackfire Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection it deserves a look.

From the All Finish Paint Protection page:

"BLACKFIRE Wet Diamond All Finish Paint Protection is the state-of-the-art paint sealant.
Wet Diamond polymers...
The tri-polymer system...
Protection is further boosted with Polycharger ..."

There are several key 'buzz words' here. The use of "Wet Diamond polymers", "tri-polymer", and "polycharger" seem to be consistent with both the spray and the WOWO product, but NOT the WOWA product. Hmmmmm.....

I'd say.... rather than saying "put nothing on it", I'd say boys have at it! :laughing:
As we all know, (and having been victim to sale after sale after SALE, after new product after new, v2, v3, new and improved, BOGO, VIP, and the never ending plethora of ways to rid us of a zero balance credit card) the house products from PBMG are much more likely to be good than bad, (although nowhere near cheap) that you're likely to end up trying something ON TOP of a new coating to find it works. Then what's so wrong with that?


All in all ---- the only thing that seems to hold true across the board is everybody, (and I do mean everybody) here will be VERY LIKELY (if not absolutely) to buff and remove a coating long long LONG before it's 1, 2, or 3 year expected durability cycle has ever been reached.:laughing: Which..... is why so many, to this day, still go with a sealant or wax and call it a fun weekend out of the house. :dblthumb2: